[Syty] Would a Sy/Ty do good at...
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eqs at frontiernet.net
Tue Aug 21 21:54:51 CDT 2007
Something similar was done in the "real street eliminator" covered by
car craft magazine 1992. The rules were less stringent but the syclone
came in forth in this order against: 1989 mustang, 1986 corvette, 1988
supra, 1991 syclone, 1987 grand national, 1970 chevelle, 1972 cutlass,
1955 bel air, 1970 camaro, 1958 ford.
The categories were: Acceleration, Slalom, Braking, fuel economy,
craftsmanship, ride & Drive.
Quoting Larry Brown <larrybrown at prolynx.com>:
> Thanks for the Reply on PGD (pump gas drags)...I was just wondering
> how well a syty would do.
>
> Background: Hot Rod Mag sponsors PGD at Memphis with street/strip
> muscle cars/trucks.
> The rules call for invitation-only (300 entries, 75 selections for
> variety); NHRA rules for speeds you run;
> must have all street equipment like workig lights, horn,
> registration/insurance/license; vehicles must have
> stock or bolt on front suspension, and weight at least 3,3000 lbs.
> Tires no wider than 11.25 ", no wheelie bars;
> must pass their tech inspection, & gas is drained and filled with 10
> gallons of their 93 octane; power adders
> such as water injection can be used, but no other fuel burned. Every
> competitor must complete a 30 mile
> drive. Once at the track each vehicle is allowed a single pass to
> qualify. Racers
> are placed on a sportsman ladder (#1 races #17, #2 races #18...) and
> run heads up on a pro tree.
>
> On the surface: Cars are DQ for overheating, flat tires, a lack of
> tire traction (due to cold track and
> min tire width restriction & high hp, running quicker than your
> safety equipment, missing the 30 mile check point,
> illegal front suspension. lack of track tuning and such. Then the
> pro tree gets alot of drivers as do the
> sportsman ladder system. So the fastest rarely wins, and the slowest
> get eliminated/beat.
>
> So in the end...the final ten usually are a mix of mid-range vehicles.
> Since Syclones could meet the weight, and have awd for traction, and are
> very consistent (almost bracket like) they "appear" to have an edge
> in making the top 10....
> if the 93 octane doesnt kill torque, boost, and hp. With good
> detonation prevention (maybe some nitrous
> and/or water injection, engine coating, etc) a Syclone/Typhoon might
> be a "sleeper".
>
> Not that I plan, have or could participate, but with all of the fast
> syclone/typhoon vehicles and even the
> pikes peak Syclone, an owner might do good if they had a large
> tubo`d (or twin turbo`d)
> a/c deleted V6 (oddfire or evenfire) or V8 AWD Sy/Ty truck at this
> event (maybe). For some
> reason none of the Buick guys show up either.
>
> Its probably a wild idea, but I thought it fun to speculate. I
> rarely see mention of Sy/Tys at any
> sponsored events other than our own syty.net but do know that the
> Silver State, One-lap of America,
> Pikes Peak Race, and some autocrossing events have participants.
> Maybe its cuz owners dont
> know of such events.
>
> oh well...just delete if you find this uninteresting or stupid. I
> like it when I find a magazine
> with a Typhoon or Syclone in it (other than being advertised for
> sale....lol).
>
> Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Goodhue
> To: Larry Brown
> Cc: SyTy List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] Would a Sy/Ty do good at...
>
>
> Right off the bat 10 gallons in a fast SyTy would require a sumped tank.
>
> Obviously the lack of high boost would affect the top end of
> motors, however I wonder how 'slow 'the high 8's, low 9's Sy's
> would be running with low boost.
> How high of boost could they run on 93 octane? 15 psi? 17 psi? As
> far as I know the really fast Sy aren't running really big boost
> numbers (They are all under 30psi and closer to 25psi) Engine
> coatings could help with detonation as well as water injection,
> thought I suspect most of those truck utilize them already.
>
> Even with Vortec and race heads we obvious don't have the best
> combustion chamber for detonation. Stock Evo's peak at 21psi and
> settle to 17psi. I think with aftermarket tuns have them peaking
> 22-23 psi and running 19-20psi on pump gas. They aren't running low
> timing like a stock SyTy either (14 degree). Fortunately SyTy do
> a have a relatively good amount of displacememnt for factory turbo
> motor, however with an endless choice of motor in a compettition
> like this a turbo LS7 would have a huge advantage.
>
> I think one of the fast Sy's could place in the list given the
> prior times. The only race SyTy is going to kick ass is if the
> require real full depth street tires and don't allow drage radials..
>
>
>
> On 8/19/07, Larry Brown <larrybrown at prolynx.com> wrote:
> Howdy
> (just received my gift subscription of Hot Rod Mag and they did
> the Hot Rod Pump Gas Nat`ls writeup)
>
> It looks like the Pump Gas Nationals would be a good "candidate"
> for a fast AWD Syclone, or Typhoon,
> for national exposure (in my head). But I wonder if 93 octane
> would be a limiting factor? The rules state:
> -10 gallons of 93 octane
> -30 mile "driving test"
> -No pre-qualifying at the strip; No posting times for qualifying
> (to avoid cheating).
> - 11 1/4 inch tire restriction, stock type front suspension,
> NHRA rules (for posted times)
> - I think a min approx weight of 3300 lbs and a "non-sticky"
> track was used with a pro tree.
>
> Now I know some of SyTy owners have fast vehicles, but its my
> impression that they require
> high boost for max hp. Does this prevent the use of 93 octane
> (as they wont allow power adders
> other than water injection), altho nitrous, turbos,
> prochargers/superchargers are allowed.
> So it appears that really big blocks won in the past, but a
> small block EFI Camero won this year (a first).
>
> Just curious (not that I could participate or anything), but it
> would be neat if a SyTy could
> wind up in the top 10 (in a contest like this). So would the
> detonation "factor" prohibit
> SyTy entries...(ie some of the cars/trucks entered ran 10s and
> 11s, with the 8sec ones
> finding traction problems, and the 9sec ones advancing to the finals).
>
> I dont know if there is any major prize money, but it appears
> that they do have several sponsors.
> While the Power Tour and the 1-lap across America draws some
> SyTy folks, I never see owners
> enter Craft Craft Nat`ls or Pump Gas Drags or such.
>
> thanks in advance
> Larry Brown
>
>
>
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