From gary at thesantacruzhouse.com  Sun Jul  1 03:41:11 2007
From: gary at thesantacruzhouse.com (Gary H)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:41:11 -0700
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
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Dave Goodhue wrote:
>
>
> On 6/30/07, *DOlivares* <seravilo at netzero.net 
> <mailto:seravilo at netzero.net>> wrote:
>
>     Funny, your message hit just as I was doing some last-minute
>     research on that very project!  Without back-up transportation, I
>     have to make sure I can start early enough to get done before
>     sundown and assuming I can get a break from the regular rainfall
>     we've been getting.
>      
>     I thought I had all my parts and tools lined up for the job, but
>     now as I review the tech-manual I'm wondering about the GASKET for
>     the valve cover.
>      
>     Traditional American motors up through the mid-80s use cheesy
>     gaskets that cook onto the heads and usually come apart upon
>     removal after a number of years; however, I was delighted to find
>     the *embedded-type plastic gasket* on my '89 Trans Am heads.  You
>     don't even have to be that careful removing the cover; the gasket
>     remains fixed and resilient in its channel.  * Will the Syclone
>     valve covers be the same*, or do I need to order up a new set of
>     gaskets before I get those covers off?  The Great Unknown! 
>     *Anybody out there with the answer? *
>      
>     You can see my anxiety.  If I hadn't been unpleasantly SURPRISED
>     so many times in the past by such little, petty crap that grinds
>     everything to a halt I wouldn't be such a conservative fuddy-duddy
>     today....
>      
>     I've also got some shortcuts in mind for this job... I hardly ever
>     do anything by the book anymore.  Most of those procedures are
>     written for the paranoid.  I'll try to keep up the record of what
>     I end up doing....
>      
>     D.O.
>
>  
> The gaskets are rubber, that are supose to stick into the grove.  
> However, the first time I did the valve cover without having the top 
> end of the motor they kept falling out.  I tried a new set of gasket 
> without any luck (like a couple hours of cursing), I ended up redo 
> them becuase they were leaking.  I ended up using 4 of those metal 
> binder clips to hold the valve cover gaskets in place until got the 
> valve covers in place.  It worked great. 
>  
> I think I bought something like this.
>  
> http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH 
> <http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH>
>  
> To get the valve covers off they are pretty easy, driverside is harder 
> to do, the back nut on the MAP/EGR Solenoid, Coil, is a little 
> challenging if you don't want to pull the upper intake or distributor 
> off, but its do able.  You need to remove one of the Alternator bolts 
> as well.  Passenger side is basically the Upper IC.
>  
> As for doing the valve stem seals, I did mine with the top end apart, 
> but I am pretty sure I could do them with the valve covers off.  I was 
> able to adjust the valve with the engine running a short carboard 
> shield to keep splashing off the engine (make sure its warmed up 
> first).  I was worried I didn't adjust them properly following the 
> comp cams article about finding zero lash, but I had. 
>  
> For the valve seals I would do it with an air compressor, spark plug 
> air fitting, and spring compressor.   I tried the 'rope trick' to hold 
> up the valves. It was no trick it took way to much time. The time it 
> took me to do #1 cylinder with rope I did 2-6 with an air compressor.  
> For doing the seals themselves, myclone responded to me with a perfect 
> description on how to do them.  #5 was a little tight for the spring 
> compressor with the brake booster in the way, I had used a stamp steel 
> spring compressor that my father bought in the 60's.
>  
> http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11752
>  
> I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my 
> valve with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running as 
> well, it wasn't that hard either.
Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It appears that on some 
(maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on the exhaust 
side.  There are o-rings instead.
You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for 
Sy2455 to reply with the part #.
Gary
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From sytydave at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 04:49:15 2007
From: sytydave at gmail.com (Dave Goodhue)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 05:49:15 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
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This is a thread on valve seals.  I can't remember which exhaust valve
seals I used though.  I think I used the SS72711. but I may have used
SS72529.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10647


>
> I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my valve
> with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running as well, it
> wasn't that hard either. Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It
> appears that on some (maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on
> the exhaust side.  There are o-rings instead.
>  You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for Sy2455
> to reply with the part #.
>  Gary
>


From seravilo at netzero.net  Sun Jul  1 07:33:04 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
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This info is absolutely GREAT!!

Who has time, inclination or even a clue as to where to begin searching all those Archives?  Not me; I hardly ever go to those more private "aficionado websites" in the first place... just never developed the habit... always preferred this Forum, even with all its notorious flamethrowers.

Anyhow, I got the '72530 Fel-Pros (always to be selected over that cheesy Victor junk!) last week and am not overly concerned about marginal performance gains with one brand/material over another at this point since I'm only pursuing a stop-gap fix and will do a proper head-refurb with machined bosses and spring-loaded teflon seals on both intakes and exhausts later next year or so.  Dave, you wouldn't believe the SMOKE this poor li'l whipped-horse has been pumping out these past couple o' months!  It's positively scary!!

What I'm most concerned about is doing as little paranoid prep-work as possible so I can get back on the road ASAP.  Specifically, I DON'T want to have to use my spark-hole chuck to hold up the valves 'cause I have to remove my front tires to get at those damn 'plugs and there's at least an hour I can save right there.  (No, don't preach or groan:  Even with every fancy ratchet-wrench/socket/articulated extension available in the Solar System, I cannot remove most of my sparkplugs from the top of the engine bay!  Arms too big... not double-jointed enough!!)  Besides, I'm one of the pioneers of that ol' "Rope Trick" you referred to earlier and have gotten away with it many times... BUT NEVER ON A 'CLONE ENGINE.

So lemme tell ya what I want... what I really, really want, what I really, really, really... [Stop it!] wanna know from your experience or research:
  1.. If I had each respective piston at TDC and happened to DROP A VALVE (again, no pressurized cylinder and assuming the old valve-stem O-ring had rotted or tore off so that nothing could stop the valve from falling all the way through a badly worn guide) INTO THE CHAMBER, HOW FAR WOULD THE INTAKE FALL THROUGH THE GUIDE?  Would the tip disappear completely into the valve-guide before the valve came to rest at the top of the piston?
  2.. Ditto... HOW MUCH FARTHER WOULD THE EXHAUST VALVE DROP?  (This is strictly theoretical since I'm only planning to replace the 'guide-boss seals on the intakes and will likely leave the exhaust O-rings alone.  They're easy to test for leakage fully assembled anyway... just a few drops of penetrating-oil on the keepers.  And, remember, I'm in a hurry on this job!  Still, ya never know....)
  3.. That old VALVE-COVER GASKET THANG....
Those 3 roadblocks are the only thing keeping me from propping open the Hood and diving into the ol' Toolchests... after clearing out all those cobwebs formed thereupon after all these years of neglect.  Shame on me!  If my NIASE card/patches were still up to date I'd make me turn myself in!!!

So whaddaya say, Dave?

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Goodhue 
  To: Gary H 
  Cc: DOlivares ; SYTY 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?


  This is a thread on valve seals.  I can't remember which exhaust valve
  seals I used though.  I think I used the SS72711. but I may have used
  SS72529.

  http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10647


  >
  > I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my valve
  > with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running as well, it
  > wasn't that hard either. Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It
  > appears that on some (maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on
  > the exhaust side.  There are o-rings instead.
  >  You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for Sy2455
  > to reply with the part #.
  >  Gary
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From PatMerri at aol.com  Sun Jul  1 15:07:26 2007
From: PatMerri at aol.com (PatMerri at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:07:26 EDT
Subject: [Syty] Banter
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I love it. As a resident lurker I've missed the attacks, arguments, etc.  
which used to take place in this forum. I pretty much stay away from doing any  
more than looking as these things remind me of a bunch of chickens, a spot of  
blood and there's thirty jumping in to vent with twenty six or so not having 
any  idea of what the subject even is. 
 
Good to see you're still kicking Dennis!
 
X2 Daron!
 
Pat
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From gary at thesantacruzhouse.com  Sun Jul  1 16:45:33 2007
From: gary at thesantacruzhouse.com (Gary H)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:45:33 -0700
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
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Gary H wrote:
> Dave Goodhue wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/07, *DOlivares* <seravilo at netzero.net 
>> <mailto:seravilo at netzero.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Funny, your message hit just as I was doing some last-minute
>>     research on that very project!  Without back-up transportation, I
>>     have to make sure I can start early enough to get done before
>>     sundown and assuming I can get a break from the regular rainfall
>>     we've been getting.
>>      
>>     I thought I had all my parts and tools lined up for the job, but
>>     now as I review the tech-manual I'm wondering about the GASKET
>>     for the valve cover.
>>      
>>     Traditional American motors up through the mid-80s use cheesy
>>     gaskets that cook onto the heads and usually come apart upon
>>     removal after a number of years; however, I was delighted to find
>>     the *embedded-type plastic gasket* on my '89 Trans Am heads.  You
>>     don't even have to be that careful removing the cover; the gasket
>>     remains fixed and resilient in its channel.  * Will the Syclone
>>     valve covers be the same*, or do I need to order up a new set of
>>     gaskets before I get those covers off?  The Great Unknown! 
>>     *Anybody out there with the answer? *
>>      
>>     You can see my anxiety.  If I hadn't been unpleasantly SURPRISED
>>     so many times in the past by such little, petty crap that grinds
>>     everything to a halt I wouldn't be such a conservative
>>     fuddy-duddy today....
>>      
>>     I've also got some shortcuts in mind for this job... I hardly
>>     ever do anything by the book anymore.  Most of those procedures
>>     are written for the paranoid.  I'll try to keep up the record of
>>     what I end up doing....
>>      
>>     D.O.
>>
>>  
>> The gaskets are rubber, that are supose to stick into the grove.  
>> However, the first time I did the valve cover without having the top 
>> end of the motor they kept falling out.  I tried a new set of gasket 
>> without any luck (like a couple hours of cursing), I ended up redo 
>> them becuase they were leaking.  I ended up using 4 of those metal 
>> binder clips to hold the valve cover gaskets in place until got the 
>> valve covers in place.  It worked great. 
>>  
>> I think I bought something like this.
>>  
>> http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH 
>> <http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH>
>>  
>> To get the valve covers off they are pretty easy, driverside is 
>> harder to do, the back nut on the MAP/EGR Solenoid, Coil, is a little 
>> challenging if you don't want to pull the upper intake or distributor 
>> off, but its do able.  You need to remove one of the Alternator bolts 
>> as well.  Passenger side is basically the Upper IC.
>>  
>> As for doing the valve stem seals, I did mine with the top end apart, 
>> but I am pretty sure I could do them with the valve covers off.  I 
>> was able to adjust the valve with the engine running a short carboard 
>> shield to keep splashing off the engine (make sure its warmed up 
>> first).  I was worried I didn't adjust them properly following the 
>> comp cams article about finding zero lash, but I had. 
>>  
>> For the valve seals I would do it with an air compressor, spark plug 
>> air fitting, and spring compressor.   I tried the 'rope trick' to 
>> hold up the valves. It was no trick it took way to much time. The 
>> time it took me to do #1 cylinder with rope I did 2-6 with an air 
>> compressor.  For doing the seals themselves, myclone responded to me 
>> with a perfect description on how to do them.  #5 was a little tight 
>> for the spring compressor with the brake booster in the way, I had 
>> used a stamp steel spring compressor that my father bought in the 60's.
>>  
>> http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11752
>>  
>> I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my 
>> valve with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running 
>> as well, it wasn't that hard either.
> Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It appears that on some 
> (maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on the exhaust 
> side.  There are o-rings instead.
> You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for 
> Sy2455 to reply with the part #.
> Gary

Whoops.. looks like I forgot to post the thread:

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48852&highlight=valve+seal

I think someone already posted the part no.  Thanks!
Gary
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From seravilo at netzero.net  Sun Jul  1 21:57:18 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:57:18 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Banter
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>
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Ewes...

and now CHICKENS?

I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!  I'll have to remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more wildlife... more farm animals.  And then there's those roaches....

Dr. Doolittle
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: PatMerri at aol.com 
  To: syty at syty.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:07 PM
  Subject: [Syty] Banter


  I love it. As a resident lurker I've missed the attacks, arguments, etc. which used to take place in this forum. I pretty much stay away from doing any more than looking as these things remind me of a bunch of chickens, a spot of blood and there's thirty jumping in to vent with twenty six or so not having any idea of what the subject even is. 

  Good to see you're still kicking Dennis!

  X2 Daron!

  Pat
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From sytydave at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 06:51:20 2007
From: sytydave at gmail.com (Dave Goodhue)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:51:20 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
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>So lemme tell ya what I want... what I really, really want, what I
really, really, really... [Stop
> it!] wanna know from your experience or research:

>If I had each respective piston at TDC and happened to DROP A VALVE (again, no
>pressurized cylinder and assuming the old valve-stem O-ring had
rotted or tore off so that
>nothing could stop the valve from falling all the way through a badly
worn guide) INTO THE >CHAMBER, HOW FAR WOULD THE INTAKE FALL THROUGH
THE GUIDE?  Would the >tip disappear completely into the valve-guide
before the valve came to rest at the top of >the piston?

>Ditto... HOW MUCH FARTHER WOULD THE EXHAUST VALVE DROP?  (This is
strictly >theoretical since I'm only planning to replace the
'guide-boss seals on the intakes and will >likely leave the exhaust
O-rings alone.  They're easy to test for leakage fully assembled
>anyway... just a few drops of penetrating-oil on the keepers.  And,
remember, I'm in a hurry >on this job!  Still, ya never know....)

>That old VALVE-COVER GASKET THANG....

I have my motor out my truck and with the heads already removed, later
this week I will take some picture of the valve cover clips and I will
test out dropping the valve.  I think it will complete disappear, but
I am not 100% sure.

>Why not use sealer or gasket adhesive on the recessed surfaces of the
covers?  When I >spoke of my Trans Am covers and those recessed orange
gaskets, they were really >permanently installed and I never had to
worry about 'em "falling out" or even getting >loose.  It was
beautiful-- better than I used to set up my Fel-Pros or Mitchells on
my old >chrome covers for '60s engines!  I don't get that stuff about
binder clips at all... hope >you're not just trying to spook me.  Know
where I could get a PICTURE of the inside of >one of these covers?

I actually did try to use some RTV blue, but it didn't adhere (I
didn't use a ton of it though)  Maybe I didn't get enough of the oil
residue off the inside of the valve cover groove.  My TPI Corvette had
rubber gaskets and they stay perfectly fine in the valve covers.  I
actually tried 3 set of gaskets to see which ones worked in my Sy's
OEM valve covers.  My orignal OEM, the new one I had used but had 1000
miles on them and a brand new set, they were all to loose to manuever
through the motion of putting the valve covers on.


From seravilo at netzero.net  Mon Jul  2 10:19:12 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
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OK!

I'll wait for your hands-on tests.  Assuming you're using stock heads with stock guides, my guess is that the naked Intake Valve will only drop to the top groove before it is stopped by the TDC piston-- and certainly no more than have the tip disappear into the guide by 1/8th-inch.  I could live with that... could pull it out with a decent magnet, especially with the guide all oiled-up and badly worn.

Not to be critical, Dave, but RTV is a GASKET-SUBSTITUTE, not a gasket-sealer/adhesive.  Depending on one's plans for eventual or repeated disassembly of a gasketed part, he should use something on the spectrum from Hylomar to "Gorilla Snot" 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive....  Using RTV for a closed-groove gasket would generate a lot of cure-gas and weaken the contact points where the original "set" took place as the vapor tried to escape.  I'd never use RTV-silicone for that application; besides, the curing and subsequent re-heating outgases tend to foul, coat, and prematurely disable oxygen sensors!  Just a thought....

Thanx in advance,

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Goodhue 
  To: DOlivares 
  Cc: SYTY 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?


  >So lemme tell ya what I want... what I really, really want, what I
  really, really, really... [Stop
  > it!] wanna know from your experience or research:

  >If I had each respective piston at TDC and happened to DROP A VALVE (again, no
  >pressurized cylinder and assuming the old valve-stem O-ring had
  rotted or tore off so that
  >nothing could stop the valve from falling all the way through a badly
  worn guide) INTO THE >CHAMBER, HOW FAR WOULD THE INTAKE FALL THROUGH
  THE GUIDE?  Would the >tip disappear completely into the valve-guide
  before the valve came to rest at the top of >the piston?

  >Ditto... HOW MUCH FARTHER WOULD THE EXHAUST VALVE DROP?  (This is
  strictly >theoretical since I'm only planning to replace the
  'guide-boss seals on the intakes and will >likely leave the exhaust
  O-rings alone.  They're easy to test for leakage fully assembled
  >anyway... just a few drops of penetrating-oil on the keepers.  And,
  remember, I'm in a hurry >on this job!  Still, ya never know....)

  >That old VALVE-COVER GASKET THANG....

  I have my motor out my truck and with the heads already removed, later
  this week I will take some picture of the valve cover clips and I will
  test out dropping the valve.  I think it will complete disappear, but
  I am not 100% sure.

  >Why not use sealer or gasket adhesive on the recessed surfaces of the
  covers?  When I >spoke of my Trans Am covers and those recessed orange
  gaskets, they were really >permanently installed and I never had to
  worry about 'em "falling out" or even getting >loose.  It was
  beautiful-- better than I used to set up my Fel-Pros or Mitchells on
  my old >chrome covers for '60s engines!  I don't get that stuff about
  binder clips at all... hope >you're not just trying to spook me.  Know
  where I could get a PICTURE of the inside of >one of these covers?

  I actually did try to use some RTV blue, but it didn't adhere (I
  didn't use a ton of it though)  Maybe I didn't get enough of the oil
  residue off the inside of the valve cover groove.  My TPI Corvette had
  rubber gaskets and they stay perfectly fine in the valve covers.  I
  actually tried 3 set of gaskets to see which ones worked in my Sy's
  OEM valve covers.  My orignal OEM, the new one I had used but had 1000
  miles on them and a brand new set, they were all to loose to manuever
  through the motion of putting the valve covers on.
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From sytydave at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 11:01:49 2007
From: sytydave at gmail.com (Dave Goodhue)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
In-Reply-To: <001801c7bcbc$db8b4700$13406b43@coresys1>
References: <4676A864.9070208@thecrosbygroup.com>
	<003701c7b1c8$a2433ec0$0f406b43@coresys1>
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>
>
> Not to be critical, Dave, but RTV is a GASKET-*SUBSTITUTE*, not a
> gasket-sealer/adhesive.  Depending on one's plans for eventual or repeated
> disassembly of a gasketed part, he should use something on the spectrum from
> Hylomar to "Gorilla Snot" 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive....  Using RTV for a
> closed-groove gasket would generate a lot of cure-gas and weaken the contact
> points where the original "set" took place as the vapor tried to escape.
> I'd *never* use RTV-silicone for that application; besides, the curing and
> subsequent re-heating outgases tend to foul, coat, and prematurely disable
> oxygen sensors!  Just a thought....
>

I know it wasn't the right application, I had used only dabs in 6
places.  The RTV didn't stick to the metal valve covers anyways, and I
didn't reuse those gaskets.

It was a time of desperation, I had already slice two of my fingers trying
to put the valve cover while trying to hold the gasket in place & it hot as
hell, with sweat dripping in my eyes.  The valve covers had been leaking, I
was doing this at night in my garage and I was getting ready to make a
500 mile each way trip to a meet the next day, so I had to start trying
something, I ned the valve cover on that night.  On the trip, one of the
covers still leaked and I ended up redoing it and using those binding clips.
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From seravilo at netzero.net  Mon Jul  2 12:22:56 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
References: <4676A864.9070208@thecrosbygroup.com>
	<003701c7b1c8$a2433ec0$0f406b43@coresys1>
	<46860FA8.5010904@thesantacruzhouse.com>
	<001401c7bb38$69e07970$09406b43@coresys1>
	<ba3beb080706301200m1c65ee58x65a45b0ba5bdbe96@mail.gmail.com>
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Haste makes WASTE!

That's why I'm trying to get as much homework done now... before I start in with wrenches & stuff.  Next time, as a veteran, I'll be able to do it in my sleep!

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Goodhue 
  To: DOlivares 
  Cc: SYTY 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?



    Not to be critical, Dave, but RTV is a GASKET-SUBSTITUTE, not a gasket-sealer/adhesive.  Depending on one's plans for eventual or repeated disassembly of a gasketed part, he should use something on the spectrum from Hylomar to "Gorilla Snot" 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive....  Using RTV for a closed-groove gasket would generate a lot of cure-gas and weaken the contact points where the original "set" took place as the vapor tried to escape.  I'd never use RTV-silicone for that application; besides, the curing and subsequent re-heating outgases tend to foul, coat, and prematurely disable oxygen sensors!  Just a thought....

  I know it wasn't the right application, I had used only dabs in 6 places.  The RTV didn't stick to the metal valve covers anyways, and I didn't reuse those gaskets. 

  It was a time of desperation, I had already slice two of my fingers trying to put the valve cover while trying to hold the gasket in place & it hot as hell, with sweat dripping in my eyes.  The valve covers had been leaking, I was doing this at night in my garage and I was getting ready to make a 500 mile each way trip to a meet the next day, so I had to start trying something, I ned the valve cover on that night.  On the trip, one of the covers still leaked and I ended up redoing it and using those binding clips. 
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From lowell at raisongroup.com  Wed Jul  4 09:15:32 2007
From: lowell at raisongroup.com (Lowell Raison)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 93 Ty
Message-ID: <000001c7be45$cb874810$0401000a@hewlettmi4yof2>

Need a roof rack and rear spoiler for a 93 Ty.

 

Anybody got them for sale or can direct where I can get?

 

Lowell

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From jabbatruck at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 10:28:12 2007
From: jabbatruck at gmail.com (Jabba Truck)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:28:12 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Banter
In-Reply-To: <001201c7bc54$b8dd15c0$2a406b43@coresys1>
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>
	<001201c7bc54$b8dd15c0$2a406b43@coresys1>
Message-ID: <ac48aac60707050828j159cee7ckabaa2094b3e516f0@mail.gmail.com>

Chickens have been a part of the SyTy world since the appearance of Kak at
the 'Nats all those years ago.



On 7/1/07, DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> wrote:
>
>  Ewes...
>
> and now *CHICKENS?*
>
> I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!  I'll have to
> remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more
> wildlife... more farm animals.  And then there's those roaches....
>
> Dr. Doolittle
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From bullyhart at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 10:50:03 2007
From: bullyhart at aol.com (Daron)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Banter
In-Reply-To: <ac48aac60707050828j159cee7ckabaa2094b3e516f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>	<001201c7bc54$b8dd15c0$2a406b43@coresys1>
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Yeah, but Dennis brought it up a notch with his smokin ewe deal.? 

We never smoked the KaK.

Funny thing about Dennis.? I have lived in the same town as him for the last 3 years I have met up with other SyTy people, been to all the car shows -?but he never shows.? I am starting to wonder if he even has a truck? Has anyone ever seen it/them?

Daron


-----Original Message-----
From: Jabba Truck <jabbatruck at gmail.com>
To: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>; SYTY <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:28 am
Subject: Re: [Syty] Banter



Chickens have been a part of the SyTy world since the appearance of Kak at the 'Nats all those years ago.



?

On 7/1/07, DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> wrote: 


Ewes...

?

and now CHICKENS?

?

I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!? I'll have to remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more wildlife... more farm animals.? And then there's those roaches.... 

?

Dr. Doolittle 


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From seravilo at netzero.net  Thu Jul  5 11:45:35 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Banter
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>	<001201c7bc54$b8dd15c0$2a406b43@coresys1>
	<ac48aac60707050828j159cee7ckabaa2094b3e516f0@mail.gmail.com>
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News to me...

especially with all the San Antonio lines I've been dropping for the last 6 years.  And they call ME "secret squirrel"?  Who knows what other latent mysteries await revelation....

Anyone too ignorant to "get" the obvious SMOKY YUNICK reference I laid down is too ignorant to run with my ponies!  Stay on your own side of town, Roach!

All others are welcome,

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daron 
  To: jabbatruck at gmail.com ; seravilo at netzero.net ; syty at syty.org 
  Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Banter


  Yeah, but Dennis brought it up a notch with his smokin ewe deal.  

  We never smoked the KaK.

  Funny thing about Dennis.  I have lived in the same town as him for the last 3 years I have met up with other SyTy people, been to all the car shows - but he never shows.  I am starting to wonder if he even has a truck? Has anyone ever seen it/them?

  Daron


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jabba Truck <jabbatruck at gmail.com>
  To: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>; SYTY <syty at syty.org>
  Sent: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:28 am
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Banter


  Chickens have been a part of the SyTy world since the appearance of Kak at the 'Nats all those years ago.


   
  On 7/1/07, DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> wrote: 
    Ewes...

    and now CHICKENS?

    I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!  I'll have to remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more wildlife... more farm animals.  And then there's those roaches.... 

    Dr. Doolittle 
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From RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 15:26:45 2007
From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com (RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:26:45 EDT
Subject: [Syty] Banter (Does Dennis own a Ty/Sy)
Message-ID: <c05.19c133d4.33beae05@aol.com>

Even though I don't own a Typhoon any more and probably never  will again, I 
usually read these post when I can. A lot of times I read  them just to see 
what Dennis has to say. Yeah he can be off the wall at times  (come on he says 
he worked for NASA, the home of people who are way out there),  but he's always 
willing to lend his advice when someone ask a question. So what  if he adds 
more information than you where asking for, atleast he tried to help  and 
that's what this is all about right.
 
Ok so back to the subject at hand. Does Dennis own a Sy/Ty?  While he says he 
owns a Syclone and I believe him, I can guarantee that he owns  the best 
looking Typhoon I've ever seen, but then again I sold it to him so  I'm partial. 
Dennis bought my 1 of 2 Radar Blue Metallic Typhoon and although it  needed 
some work when I sold it to him, I think just based  on best color they ever put 
on a Ty he has one. That is the reason I  will probably never own another one, 
because it wouldn't be the  right color. Well the other reason might have to 
do with the fact that  I just replaced it with a 2004 supercharged Z06 and 
while Ty/Sy's are  awesome, my Ty never scared me the way this vette does when it 
 accelerates.  
 
I wish I would have had more time to have come to some of the  event's this 
club has had over the years, but it's time for me to move on and  start a need 
group of friends that share my new interest. Thanks to everyone for  all the 
help over the years and remember to keep helping each other. That's the  reason 
I stayed a member so long, even after years of not owning a  Sy/Ty.
 
Best Luck to everyone, and Dennis if your ever in St. Louis  with that Ty or 
I make it down your way, I'm going to want to see it  again.
 
Timothy Weir



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From lowell at raisongroup.com  Sun Jul  8 08:19:53 2007
From: lowell at raisongroup.com (Lowell Raison)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 92Ty
Message-ID: <000501c7c162$ad2a3a10$0401000a@hewlettmi4yof2>

Thanks to all who responded about the roof rack/spoiler.

 

Next question. Does anyone have a set of stock wheels in really good
condition for sale?

 

Preferably near Lucasville, OH or Dunnellon, FL so I could pick up rather
than ship.

 

Thanks

 

Lowell

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From jsmirz at comcast.net  Mon Jul  9 10:11:37 2007
From: jsmirz at comcast.net (Jeffrey Smirz)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
In-Reply-To: <006a01c7ba67$731c97c0$09406b43@coresys1>
References: <46840877.8060507@verizon.net>	<002a01c7b9e9$046c8d90$0b406b43@coresys1>	<46846395.7010100@verizon.net>
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I just HAD to say this:
Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining (and  
informative!) as a Double D go 'round!
Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.
Jeff



On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:

> Ah yes,
>
> ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and flatulence...  
> didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his pen!  Cockroaches are a lot  
> like that.  Maybe we should find him a new nickname...?
>
> Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from:
>
> Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition
>
> vs.
>
> Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.
>
> You be the judge....
>
> D.O.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daron
> To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net
> Cc: syty at syty.org
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>
> Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise for a  
> street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower goal.  Find a  
> horsepower target and build your truck for that, not the other way  
> around.  I mainly disagree with what dennis is "smokin,"   
> especially if we are talking female sheep...
> Daron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>
> To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>
> Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>
> Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>
> Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on what kind of  
> LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how much extra gasoline  
> you're willing to buy if you DON'T...
> drive around town in Overdrive, and
> drive around town a lot above 42mph.
> Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will contribute when  
> NOT driving in OD... and assuming you haven't disabled your TCC--  
> good for performance, bad for heat and gas mileage!
>
> High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix (silly  
> Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under 3000rpm when I  
> ordered my Vigilante, whose primary selling point for me was its  
> grippy, 4x clutch area.  I wanted extra insurance that the TCC  
> would stay locked up in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor...  
> wanted the good gas economy above 42mph.
>
> So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine or like  
> harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed so much.  If you  
> are trying to smoke tires to the exclusion of much else, MATCH your  
> stall speed to the torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your  
> cam and intake velocity to jointly achieve....
>
> Smoky Ewe-Nick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Metzing
> To: DOlivares
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>
> Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC be good  
> enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future like a PTE setup?
>
> Ted
>
> DOlivares wrote:
>> I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be  
>> mechanically different from the version in your Ty.  All I did to  
>> mine was...
>> Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm;
>> B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!);
>> Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from Derale;
>> Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid;
>>  and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!)
>> No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine more.   
>> Transmission issues are closed for the moment... dead-reliable  
>> status already achieved!
>>
>> D.O.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ted Metzing
>> To: syty at syty.org
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM
>> Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>>
>> I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has a 1991  
>> Camaro
>> and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a $100. Is there
>> any difference between that trans and the stock one in my 1993 Ty? If
>> not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it (please specify
>> brand names) like what torque convertor company to use and is a 3000
>> stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans cooler should I
>> use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods like setting
>> timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing the metal  
>> lines
>> for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, cap/rotor,  
>> Iridium
>> NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on it, ran  
>> best of
>> 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 octane with a
>> little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because of the
>> upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb lucas green
>> stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this will create a
>> little discussion out there. Thanks again.
>>
>> Ted Metzing
>> 93 Typhoon
>> 06 TBSS
>> 05 HD V-rod
>>
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From denny1213 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 20:37:17 2007
From: denny1213 at yahoo.com (Denny Ramharakh)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
Message-ID: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey Jeff, 
It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on email, maybe its time get some new frineds.  :)

Denny
A wannabe contributor to syty list activity!



----- Original Message ----
From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net>
To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans

I just HAD to say this:  
Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining (and informative!) as a Double D go 'round!
Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.

Jeff






On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:


Ah yes,
 
...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his pen!  Cockroaches are a lot like that.  Maybe we should find him a new nickname...?
 
Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from: 
 
Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition
 
vs.
 
Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.
 
You be the judge....
 
D.O. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Daron 
To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net 
Cc: syty at syty.org 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower goal.  Find a horsepower target and build your truck for that, not the other way around.  I mainly disagree with what dennis is "smokin,"  especially if we are talking female sheep...

Daron



-----Original Message-----
From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>
To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>
Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T...
drive around town in Overdrive, and 
drive around town a lot above 42mph.
Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for heat and gas mileage!
 
High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix (silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under 3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area.  I wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the good gas economy above 42mph.
 
So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed so much.  If you are trying to smoke tires to the exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and intake velocity to jointly achieve....
 
Smoky Ewe-Nick 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ted Metzing 
To: DOlivares 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future like a PTE setup?

Ted

DOlivares wrote: 
I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be mechanically different from the version in your Ty.  All I did to mine was...
Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; 
B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); 
Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from Derale; 
Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; 
 and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) 
No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine more.  Transmission issues are closed for the moment... dead-reliable status already achieved!
 
D.O. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ted Metzing 
To: syty at syty.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans


I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has a 1991 Camaro
and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a $100. Is there
any difference between that trans and the stock one in my 1993 Ty? If
not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it (please specify
brand names) like what torque convertor company to use and is a 3000
stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans cooler should I
use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods like setting
timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing the metal lines
for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, cap/rotor, Iridium
NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on it, ran best of
13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 octane with a
little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because of the
upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb lucas green
stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this will create a
little discussion out there. Thanks again.

Ted Metzing
93 Typhoon
06 TBSS
05 HD V-rod

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From sdela at aciglobal.com  Tue Jul 10 10:04:10 2007
From: sdela at aciglobal.com (sdela at aciglobal.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:04:10 -0500
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
In-Reply-To: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <web-9501555@mailadmin.aciglobal.com>

Don't forget that your Ty trans has an AWD transfer case 
bolted to it.  The camaro 700r4 won't bolt right up unless 
the camaro is/was 4x4. :)

  This may be more work than it's worth.


   With a little bit of homework and a decent local 
builder, you can have your typhoon tranny well built for 
under a thousand dollars.



serv






On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
  Denny Ramharakh <denny1213 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Jeff, 
> It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on 
>email, maybe its time get some new frineds.  :)
> 
> Denny
> A wannabe contributor to syty list activity!
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
>From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net>
> To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> I just HAD to say this:  
> Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining 
>(and informative!) as a Double D go 'round!
> Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah yes,
> 
> ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and 
>flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his 
>pen!  Cockroaches are a lot like that.  Maybe we should 
>find him a new nickname...?
> 
> Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to 
>choose from: 
> 
> Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience 
>and erudition
> 
> vs.
> 
> Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.
> 
> You be the judge....
> 
> D.O. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Daron 
> To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net 
> Cc: syty at syty.org 
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise 
>for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower 
>goal.  Find a horsepower target and build your truck for 
>that, not the other way around.  I mainly disagree with 
>what dennis is "smokin,"  especially if we are talking 
>female sheep...
> 
> Daron
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>
> To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>
> Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>
> Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on 
>what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how 
>much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T...
> drive around town in Overdrive, and 
> drive around town a lot above 42mph.
> Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will 
>contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you 
>haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for 
>heat and gas mileage!
> 
> High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix 
>(silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under 
>3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary 
>selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area.  I 
>wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up 
>in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the 
>good gas economy above 42mph.
> 
> So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine 
>or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed 
>so much.  If you are trying to smoke tires to the 
>exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the 
>torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and 
>intake velocity to jointly achieve....
> 
> Smoky Ewe-Nick 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Ted Metzing 
> To: DOlivares 
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC 
>be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future 
>like a PTE setup?
> 
> Ted
> 
> DOlivares wrote: 
> I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would 
>be mechanically different from the version in your Ty. 
> All I did to mine was...
> Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; 
> B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); 
> Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from 
>Derale; 
> Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; 
> and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) 
> No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine 
>more.  Transmission issues are closed for the moment... 
>dead-reliable status already achieved!
> 
> D.O. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Ted Metzing 
> To: syty at syty.org 
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM
> Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has 
>a 1991 Camaro
> and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a 
>$100. Is there
> any difference between that trans and the stock one in 
>my 1993 Ty? If
> not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it 
>(please specify
> brand names) like what torque convertor company to use 
>and is a 3000
> stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans 
>cooler should I
> use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods 
>like setting
> timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing 
>the metal lines
> for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, 
>cap/rotor, Iridium
> NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on 
>it, ran best of
> 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 
>octane with a
> little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because 
>of the
> upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb 
>lucas green
> stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this 
>will create a
> little discussion out there. Thanks again.
> 
> Ted Metzing
> 93 Typhoon
> 06 TBSS
> 05 HD V-rod
> 
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From bullyhart at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 13:06:13 2007
From: bullyhart at aol.com (Daron)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:06:13 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
In-Reply-To: <web-9501555@mailadmin.aciglobal.com>
References: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<web-9501555@mailadmin.aciglobal.com>
Message-ID: <8C9913423227525-17F0-4D90@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com>

> > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:?
> > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from: 
> > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition?
> > vs.?Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.?

> > DOlivares wrote: 
> > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be mechanically different from the
> > version in your Ty.

> > You be the judge....?

I rest my case...

Daron

-----Original Message-----
From: sdela at aciglobal.com
To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:04 am
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Don't forget that your Ty trans has an AWD transfer case bolted to it. The camaro 700r4 won't bolt right up unless the camaro is/was 4x4. :)?
?
?This may be more work than it's worth.?
?
? With a little bit of homework and a decent local builder, you can have your typhoon tranny well built for under a thousand dollars.?
?
?
serv?
?
?
?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)?
?Denny Ramharakh <denny1213 at yahoo.com> wrote:?
> Hey Jeff, > It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on >email, maybe its time get some new frineds. :)?
> > Denny?
> A wannabe contributor to syty list activity!?
> > > > ----- Original Message ----?
>From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net>?
> To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>?
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > I just HAD to say this: > Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining >(and informative!) as a Double D go 'round!?
> Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.?
> > Jeff?
> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:?
> > > Ah yes,?
> > ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and >flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his >pen! Cockroaches are a lot like that. Maybe we should >find him a new nickname...??
> > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to >choose from: > > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience >and erudition?
> > vs.?
> > Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.?
> > You be the judge....?
> > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Daron > To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net > Cc: syty at syty.org > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise >for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower >goal. Find a horsepower target and build your truck for >that, not the other way around. I mainly disagree with >what dennis is "smokin," especially if we are talking >female sheep...?
> > Daron?
> > > > -----Original Message-----?
>From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>?
> To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>?
> Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>?
> Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on >what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how >much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T...?
> drive around town in Overdrive, and > drive around town a lot above 42mph.?
> Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will >contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you >haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for >heat and gas mileage!?
> > High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix >(silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under >3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary >selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area. I >wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up >in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the >good gas economy above 42mph.?
> > So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine >or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed >so much. If you are trying to smoke tires to the >exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the >torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and >intake velocity to jointly achieve....?
> > Smoky Ewe-Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: DOlivares > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC >be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future >like a PTE setup??
> > Ted?
> > DOlivares wrote: > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would >be mechanically different from the version in your Ty. > All I did to mine was...?
> Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; > B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); > Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from >Derale; > Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; > and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) > No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine >more. Transmission issues are closed for the moment... >dead-reliable status already achieved!?
> > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: syty at syty.org > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM?
> Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has >a 1991 Camaro?
> and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a >$100. Is there?
> any difference between that trans and the stock one in >my 1993 Ty? If?
> not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it >(please specify?
> brand names) like what torque convertor company to use >and is a 3000?
> stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans >cooler should I?
> use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods >like setting?
> timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing >the metal lines?
> for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, >cap/rotor, Iridium?
> NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on >it, ran best of?
> 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 >octane with a?
> little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because >of the?
> upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb >lucas green?
> stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this >will create a?
> little discussion out there. Thanks again.?
> > Ted Metzing?
> 93 Typhoon?
> 06 TBSS?
> 05 HD V-rod?
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> Syty mailing list?
> Syty at syty.org?
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From stp33 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 14:37:43 2007
From: stp33 at hotmail.com (S Price)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:37:43 +0000
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
Message-ID: <BAY126-W50E5B0E3F976D2ACFA30F1B8050@phx.gbl>


Yes there is a difference... i had my ty when i had it at a chevy dealership to have the trany replaced.. they put in "any other 700r4" i think it was for a S10 blazer and it didnt work.. the Ty wouldnt move... the TY tranny for somereason is different.. Save youe $100 and have yours rebuilt... i got a deal at  the dealership(employee cost + installation) and it was around 1800$


To: syty at syty.orgSubject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 transDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:06:13 -0400From: bullyhart at aol.com> > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote: > > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from: > > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition > > vs. Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities. > > DOlivares wrote: > > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be mechanically different from the> > version in your Ty.> > You be the judge.... I rest my case...Daron-----Original Message-----From: sdela at aciglobal.comTo: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:04 amSubject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
Don't forget that your Ty trans has an AWD transfer case bolted to it. The camaro 700r4 won't bolt right up unless the camaro is/was 4x4. :)   This may be more work than it's worth.    With a little bit of homework and a decent local builder, you can have your typhoon tranny well built for under a thousand dollars.   serv    On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)  Denny Ramharakh <denny1213 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey Jeff, > It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on >email, maybe its time get some new frineds. :) > > Denny > A wannabe contributor to syty list activity! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net> > To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org> > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > I just HAD to say this: > Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining >(and informative!) as a Double D go 'round! > Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants. > > Jeff > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote: > > > Ah yes, > > ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and >flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his >pen! Cockroaches are a lot like that. Maybe we should >find him a new nickname...? > > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to >choose from: > > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience >and erudition > > vs. > > Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities. > > You be the judge.... > > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Daron > To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net > Cc: syty at syty.org > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise >for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower >goal. Find a horsepower target and build your truck for >that, not the other way around. I mainly disagree with >what dennis is "smokin," especially if we are talking >female sheep... > > Daron > > > > -----Original Message----- >From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> > To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net> > Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org> > Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on >what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how >much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T... > drive around town in Overdrive, and > drive around town a lot above 42mph. > Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will >contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you >haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for >heat and gas mileage! > > High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix >(silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under >3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary >selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area. I >wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up >in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the >good gas economy above 42mph. > > So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine >or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed >so much. If you are trying to smoke tires to the >exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the >torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and >intake velocity to jointly achieve.... > > Smoky Ewe-Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: DOlivares > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC >be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future >like a PTE setup? > > Ted > > DOlivares wrote: > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would >be mechanically different from the version in your Ty. > All I did to mine was... > Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; > B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); > Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from >Derale; > Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; > and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) > No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine >more. Transmission issues are closed for the moment... >dead-reliable status already achieved! > > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: syty at syty.org > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM > Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has >a 1991 Camaro > and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a >$100. Is there > any difference between that trans and the stock one in >my 1993 Ty? If > not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it >(please specify > brand names) like what torque convertor company to use >and is a 3000 > stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans >cooler should I > use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods >like setting > timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing >the metal lines > for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, >cap/rotor, Iridium > NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on >it, ran best of > 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 >octane with a > little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because >of the > upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb >lucas green > stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this >will create a > little discussion out there. Thanks again. > > Ted Metzing > 93 Typhoon > 06 TBSS > 05 HD V-rod > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more >about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out >Yahoo! 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From eqs at frontiernet.net  Tue Jul 10 16:20:27 2007
From: eqs at frontiernet.net (eqs at frontiernet.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:20:27 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
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References: <BAY126-W50E5B0E3F976D2ACFA30F1B8050@phx.gbl>
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I would not move because the pump might not be working correctly or  
the torque convertor was shot.

Best best is to fix the ty transmission with better parts.

Quoting S Price <stp33 at hotmail.com>:

>
> Yes there is a difference... i had my ty when i had it at a chevy   
> dealership to have the trany replaced.. they put in "any other   
> 700r4" i think it was for a S10 blazer and it didnt work.. the Ty   
> wouldnt move... the TY tranny for somereason is different.. Save   
> youe $100 and have yours rebuilt... i got a deal at  the   
> dealership(employee cost + installation) and it was around 1800$
>



From MrGhst at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:06:13 2007
From: MrGhst at aol.com (MrGhst at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:06:13 EDT
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
Message-ID: <bfc.1a856f96.33d25395@aol.com>

Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
    The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired right away 
upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled down.  When the 
engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found myself nursing it home 
keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem except at lights and stop signs.)  
I got a code of 43  that my code reader says is EST circuit - low voltage 
detected  or ESC circuit problems.
    Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it is THE 
problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know the 
next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I be looking for?
 
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From loeryder at swbell.net  Fri Jul 20 13:53:16 2007
From: loeryder at swbell.net (Jason Granger)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
In-Reply-To: <bfc.1a856f96.33d25395@aol.com>
Message-ID: <713302.45482.qm@web83208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Code 43 EST typically points to the knock sensor.

They are cheap but a pain to replace.
You can find it threaded into the block just behind the drivers side head.
It will have a single dark blue wire leading to it.

Be sure to not overtorque it.
I think it is rated for 14 ft/lbs.



MrGhst at aol.com wrote:     Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
     The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired right away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled down.  When the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found myself nursing it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem except at lights and stop signs.)  I got a code of 43  that my code reader says is EST circuit - low voltage detected  or ESC circuit problems.
     Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it is THE problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know the next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I be looking for?
  
 Thanks, 
 Mark 




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From tydriver at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 16:31:52 2007
From: tydriver at hotmail.com (Rick In Central Texas)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
In-Reply-To: <713302.45482.qm@web83208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-F21473D06BC1EB4BC7C326CDCF40@phx.gbl>

I've been getting itermittent code 43's for about 2 years now.  Seems to be 
an intermittent open in the wiring  ... and it never had driveability 
problems like you describe.  If EST has a fault, boost is disabled, 
otherwise truck should run OK, but watch out for situation which might cause 
detonation.

Fo your symptoms, I would suspect IAC problem, or a vacuum line/fitting 
broke and you now have a big vacuum leak.  Keep us posted on the 
troubleshooting progress...


From: Jason Granger <loeryder at swbell.net>
To: MrGhst at aol.com, syty at syty.org
Subject: Re: [Syty] Need Help
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT)

Code 43 EST typically points to the knock sensor.

They are cheap but a pain to replace.
You can find it threaded into the block just behind the drivers side head.
It will have a single dark blue wire leading to it.

Be sure to not overtorque it.
I think it is rated for 14 ft/lbs.



MrGhst at aol.com wrote:     Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
      The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired right 
away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled down.  When 
the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found myself nursing 
it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem except at lights and 
stop signs.)  I got a code of 43  that my code reader says is EST circuit - 
low voltage detected  or ESC circuit problems.
      Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it is 
THE problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know 
the next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I be looking 
for?

  Thanks,
  Mark




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From eqs at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 20 16:38:58 2007
From: eqs at frontiernet.net (eqs at frontiernet.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-F21473D06BC1EB4BC7C326CDCF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY128-F21473D06BC1EB4BC7C326CDCF40@phx.gbl>
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I second the motion for IAC cleanup and check of vacuum lines.

Quoting Rick In Central Texas <tydriver at hotmail.com>:

> I've been getting itermittent code 43's for about 2 years now.  Seems
> to be an intermittent open in the wiring  ... and it never had
> driveability problems like you describe.  If EST has a fault, boost is
> disabled, otherwise truck should run OK, but watch out for situation
> which might cause detonation.
>
> Fo your symptoms, I would suspect IAC problem, or a vacuum line/fitting
> broke and you now have a big vacuum leak.  Keep us posted on the
> troubleshooting progress...
>
>
> From: Jason Granger <loeryder at swbell.net>
> To: MrGhst at aol.com, syty at syty.org
> Subject: Re: [Syty] Need Help
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Code 43 EST typically points to the knock sensor.
>
> They are cheap but a pain to replace.
> You can find it threaded into the block just behind the drivers side head.
> It will have a single dark blue wire leading to it.
>
> Be sure to not overtorque it.
> I think it is rated for 14 ft/lbs.
>
>
>
> MrGhst at aol.com wrote:     Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
>      The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired
> right away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled
> down.  When the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found
> myself nursing it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem
> except at lights and stop signs.)  I got a code of 43  that my code
> reader says is EST circuit - low voltage detected  or ESC circuit
> problems.
>      Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it
> is THE problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need
> to know the next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I
> be looking for?
>
>  Thanks,
>  Mark
>
>
>
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From tydriver at turbols6.com  Sat Jul 21 00:42:13 2007
From: tydriver at turbols6.com (tydriver@gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
References: <bfc.1a856f96.33d25395@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501c7cb59$e564e0f0$6601a8c0@ibm>

Funny you mention that problem occurred immediately after turning the wheel. I had that problem (gasp when my truck wasn't in pieces) and as it turned out, the steering shaft somehow hooked some overly long plug wires and yanked it clean off the plug while it was running..  I also had a similar issue on the previous set of wires where it got too close to the DP and melted the insulation.. Just a couple of cheap things to check IMO.

Todd

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MrGhst at aol.com 
  To: syty at syty.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:06 PM
  Subject: [Syty] Need Help


  Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
      The other day as I made a turn, the engine died.  It re-fired right away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a bit but settled down.  When the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died again.  I found myself nursing it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.  (Not a problem except at lights and stop signs.)  I got a code of 43 that my code reader says is EST circuit - low voltage detected or ESC circuit problems.
      Could this be THE problem or is this a different problem?  If it is THE problem, what's the next step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know the next step.)  If it is not the problem, what else should I be looking for?

  Thanks, 
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From rbryanmorrison at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 23 17:07:56 2007
From: rbryanmorrison at earthlink.net (R. Bryan Morrison)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:07:56 -0700
Subject: [Syty] 1992 Red/Black leather interior Typhoon with 36,
	000 miles for sale in Southern Calif.
Message-ID: <000c01c7cd75$edc2c1e0$6466a8c0@morrison>

1992 Red GMC Typhoon, 36,000 miles for sale in Southern California - $14,250.  Title is free & clear and in my possession. 

This beautiful vehicle is in excellent condition, both inside and out - garaged at my home.  Mechanically the car is near flawless with a history of modifications and equipment improvements by Race Proven Motorsports in Los Angeles.  It runs extremely strong with documented performance.

A two page listing of modifications and equipment improvements available by email.  Additionally, most all factory and aftermarket manuals covering installation and use of various components will be included.  There are hundreds of pages in three separate three-ring binders as well as GMC Typhoon Service Videos in DVD format.

The previous owner is available for additional SYTY truck history.

Reply for e-photos or additional information.


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From gary at thesantacruzhouse.com  Sun Jul  1 03:41:11 2007
From: gary at thesantacruzhouse.com (Gary H)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 01:41:11 -0700
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
In-Reply-To: <ba3beb080706301200m1c65ee58x65a45b0ba5bdbe96@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4676A864.9070208@thecrosbygroup.com>	
	<003701c7b1c8$a2433ec0$0f406b43@coresys1>	
	<46860FA8.5010904@thesantacruzhouse.com>	
	<001401c7bb38$69e07970$09406b43@coresys1>
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Message-ID: <468768A7.2050701@thesantacruzhouse.com>

Dave Goodhue wrote:
>
>
> On 6/30/07, *DOlivares* <seravilo at netzero.net 
> <mailto:seravilo at netzero.net>> wrote:
>
>     Funny, your message hit just as I was doing some last-minute
>     research on that very project!  Without back-up transportation, I
>     have to make sure I can start early enough to get done before
>     sundown and assuming I can get a break from the regular rainfall
>     we've been getting.
>      
>     I thought I had all my parts and tools lined up for the job, but
>     now as I review the tech-manual I'm wondering about the GASKET for
>     the valve cover.
>      
>     Traditional American motors up through the mid-80s use cheesy
>     gaskets that cook onto the heads and usually come apart upon
>     removal after a number of years; however, I was delighted to find
>     the *embedded-type plastic gasket* on my '89 Trans Am heads.  You
>     don't even have to be that careful removing the cover; the gasket
>     remains fixed and resilient in its channel.  * Will the Syclone
>     valve covers be the same*, or do I need to order up a new set of
>     gaskets before I get those covers off?  The Great Unknown! 
>     *Anybody out there with the answer? *
>      
>     You can see my anxiety.  If I hadn't been unpleasantly SURPRISED
>     so many times in the past by such little, petty crap that grinds
>     everything to a halt I wouldn't be such a conservative fuddy-duddy
>     today....
>      
>     I've also got some shortcuts in mind for this job... I hardly ever
>     do anything by the book anymore.  Most of those procedures are
>     written for the paranoid.  I'll try to keep up the record of what
>     I end up doing....
>      
>     D.O.
>
>  
> The gaskets are rubber, that are supose to stick into the grove.  
> However, the first time I did the valve cover without having the top 
> end of the motor they kept falling out.  I tried a new set of gasket 
> without any luck (like a couple hours of cursing), I ended up redo 
> them becuase they were leaking.  I ended up using 4 of those metal 
> binder clips to hold the valve cover gaskets in place until got the 
> valve covers in place.  It worked great. 
>  
> I think I bought something like this.
>  
> http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH 
> <http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH>
>  
> To get the valve covers off they are pretty easy, driverside is harder 
> to do, the back nut on the MAP/EGR Solenoid, Coil, is a little 
> challenging if you don't want to pull the upper intake or distributor 
> off, but its do able.  You need to remove one of the Alternator bolts 
> as well.  Passenger side is basically the Upper IC.
>  
> As for doing the valve stem seals, I did mine with the top end apart, 
> but I am pretty sure I could do them with the valve covers off.  I was 
> able to adjust the valve with the engine running a short carboard 
> shield to keep splashing off the engine (make sure its warmed up 
> first).  I was worried I didn't adjust them properly following the 
> comp cams article about finding zero lash, but I had. 
>  
> For the valve seals I would do it with an air compressor, spark plug 
> air fitting, and spring compressor.   I tried the 'rope trick' to hold 
> up the valves. It was no trick it took way to much time. The time it 
> took me to do #1 cylinder with rope I did 2-6 with an air compressor.  
> For doing the seals themselves, myclone responded to me with a perfect 
> description on how to do them.  #5 was a little tight for the spring 
> compressor with the brake booster in the way, I had used a stamp steel 
> spring compressor that my father bought in the 60's.
>  
> http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11752
>  
> I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my 
> valve with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running as 
> well, it wasn't that hard either.
Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It appears that on some 
(maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on the exhaust 
side.  There are o-rings instead.
You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for 
Sy2455 to reply with the part #.
Gary
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From sytydave at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 04:49:15 2007
From: sytydave at gmail.com (Dave Goodhue)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 05:49:15 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
In-Reply-To: <468768A7.2050701@thesantacruzhouse.com>
References: <4676A864.9070208@thecrosbygroup.com>
	<003701c7b1c8$a2433ec0$0f406b43@coresys1>
	<46860FA8.5010904@thesantacruzhouse.com>
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	<468768A7.2050701@thesantacruzhouse.com>
Message-ID: <ba3beb080707010249m30a009b1pf5586f26b2548125@mail.gmail.com>

This is a thread on valve seals.  I can't remember which exhaust valve
seals I used though.  I think I used the SS72711. but I may have used
SS72529.

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10647


>
> I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my valve
> with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running as well, it
> wasn't that hard either. Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It
> appears that on some (maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on
> the exhaust side.  There are o-rings instead.
>  You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for Sy2455
> to reply with the part #.
>  Gary
>


From seravilo at netzero.net  Sun Jul  1 07:33:04 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 07:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
References: <4676A864.9070208@thecrosbygroup.com>
	<003701c7b1c8$a2433ec0$0f406b43@coresys1>
	<46860FA8.5010904@thesantacruzhouse.com>
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	<ba3beb080706301200m1c65ee58x65a45b0ba5bdbe96@mail.gmail.com>
	<468768A7.2050701@thesantacruzhouse.com>
	<ba3beb080707010249m30a009b1pf5586f26b2548125@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c7bbdb$fa33d000$11406b43@coresys1>

This info is absolutely GREAT!!

Who has time, inclination or even a clue as to where to begin searching all those Archives?  Not me; I hardly ever go to those more private "aficionado websites" in the first place... just never developed the habit... always preferred this Forum, even with all its notorious flamethrowers.

Anyhow, I got the '72530 Fel-Pros (always to be selected over that cheesy Victor junk!) last week and am not overly concerned about marginal performance gains with one brand/material over another at this point since I'm only pursuing a stop-gap fix and will do a proper head-refurb with machined bosses and spring-loaded teflon seals on both intakes and exhausts later next year or so.  Dave, you wouldn't believe the SMOKE this poor li'l whipped-horse has been pumping out these past couple o' months!  It's positively scary!!

What I'm most concerned about is doing as little paranoid prep-work as possible so I can get back on the road ASAP.  Specifically, I DON'T want to have to use my spark-hole chuck to hold up the valves 'cause I have to remove my front tires to get at those damn 'plugs and there's at least an hour I can save right there.  (No, don't preach or groan:  Even with every fancy ratchet-wrench/socket/articulated extension available in the Solar System, I cannot remove most of my sparkplugs from the top of the engine bay!  Arms too big... not double-jointed enough!!)  Besides, I'm one of the pioneers of that ol' "Rope Trick" you referred to earlier and have gotten away with it many times... BUT NEVER ON A 'CLONE ENGINE.

So lemme tell ya what I want... what I really, really want, what I really, really, really... [Stop it!] wanna know from your experience or research:
  1.. If I had each respective piston at TDC and happened to DROP A VALVE (again, no pressurized cylinder and assuming the old valve-stem O-ring had rotted or tore off so that nothing could stop the valve from falling all the way through a badly worn guide) INTO THE CHAMBER, HOW FAR WOULD THE INTAKE FALL THROUGH THE GUIDE?  Would the tip disappear completely into the valve-guide before the valve came to rest at the top of the piston?
  2.. Ditto... HOW MUCH FARTHER WOULD THE EXHAUST VALVE DROP?  (This is strictly theoretical since I'm only planning to replace the 'guide-boss seals on the intakes and will likely leave the exhaust O-rings alone.  They're easy to test for leakage fully assembled anyway... just a few drops of penetrating-oil on the keepers.  And, remember, I'm in a hurry on this job!  Still, ya never know....)
  3.. That old VALVE-COVER GASKET THANG....
Those 3 roadblocks are the only thing keeping me from propping open the Hood and diving into the ol' Toolchests... after clearing out all those cobwebs formed thereupon after all these years of neglect.  Shame on me!  If my NIASE card/patches were still up to date I'd make me turn myself in!!!

So whaddaya say, Dave?

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Goodhue 
  To: Gary H 
  Cc: DOlivares ; SYTY 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:49 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?


  This is a thread on valve seals.  I can't remember which exhaust valve
  seals I used though.  I think I used the SS72711. but I may have used
  SS72529.

  http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10647


  >
  > I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my valve
  > with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running as well, it
  > wasn't that hard either. Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It
  > appears that on some (maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on
  > the exhaust side.  There are o-rings instead.
  >  You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for Sy2455
  > to reply with the part #.
  >  Gary
  >
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From PatMerri at aol.com  Sun Jul  1 15:07:26 2007
From: PatMerri at aol.com (PatMerri at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:07:26 EDT
Subject: [Syty] Banter
Message-ID: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>

I love it. As a resident lurker I've missed the attacks, arguments, etc.  
which used to take place in this forum. I pretty much stay away from doing any  
more than looking as these things remind me of a bunch of chickens, a spot of  
blood and there's thirty jumping in to vent with twenty six or so not having 
any  idea of what the subject even is. 
 
Good to see you're still kicking Dennis!
 
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From gary at thesantacruzhouse.com  Sun Jul  1 16:45:33 2007
From: gary at thesantacruzhouse.com (Gary H)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 14:45:33 -0700
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
In-Reply-To: <468768A7.2050701@thesantacruzhouse.com>
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Gary H wrote:
> Dave Goodhue wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/07, *DOlivares* <seravilo at netzero.net 
>> <mailto:seravilo at netzero.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Funny, your message hit just as I was doing some last-minute
>>     research on that very project!  Without back-up transportation, I
>>     have to make sure I can start early enough to get done before
>>     sundown and assuming I can get a break from the regular rainfall
>>     we've been getting.
>>      
>>     I thought I had all my parts and tools lined up for the job, but
>>     now as I review the tech-manual I'm wondering about the GASKET
>>     for the valve cover.
>>      
>>     Traditional American motors up through the mid-80s use cheesy
>>     gaskets that cook onto the heads and usually come apart upon
>>     removal after a number of years; however, I was delighted to find
>>     the *embedded-type plastic gasket* on my '89 Trans Am heads.  You
>>     don't even have to be that careful removing the cover; the gasket
>>     remains fixed and resilient in its channel.  * Will the Syclone
>>     valve covers be the same*, or do I need to order up a new set of
>>     gaskets before I get those covers off?  The Great Unknown! 
>>     *Anybody out there with the answer? *
>>      
>>     You can see my anxiety.  If I hadn't been unpleasantly SURPRISED
>>     so many times in the past by such little, petty crap that grinds
>>     everything to a halt I wouldn't be such a conservative
>>     fuddy-duddy today....
>>      
>>     I've also got some shortcuts in mind for this job... I hardly
>>     ever do anything by the book anymore.  Most of those procedures
>>     are written for the paranoid.  I'll try to keep up the record of
>>     what I end up doing....
>>      
>>     D.O.
>>
>>  
>> The gaskets are rubber, that are supose to stick into the grove.  
>> However, the first time I did the valve cover without having the top 
>> end of the motor they kept falling out.  I tried a new set of gasket 
>> without any luck (like a couple hours of cursing), I ended up redo 
>> them becuase they were leaking.  I ended up using 4 of those metal 
>> binder clips to hold the valve cover gaskets in place until got the 
>> valve covers in place.  It worked great. 
>>  
>> I think I bought something like this.
>>  
>> http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH 
>> <http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&prodCatType=0&catalogId=10051&productId=143830&cmArea=SEARCH>
>>  
>> To get the valve covers off they are pretty easy, driverside is 
>> harder to do, the back nut on the MAP/EGR Solenoid, Coil, is a little 
>> challenging if you don't want to pull the upper intake or distributor 
>> off, but its do able.  You need to remove one of the Alternator bolts 
>> as well.  Passenger side is basically the Upper IC.
>>  
>> As for doing the valve stem seals, I did mine with the top end apart, 
>> but I am pretty sure I could do them with the valve covers off.  I 
>> was able to adjust the valve with the engine running a short carboard 
>> shield to keep splashing off the engine (make sure its warmed up 
>> first).  I was worried I didn't adjust them properly following the 
>> comp cams article about finding zero lash, but I had. 
>>  
>> For the valve seals I would do it with an air compressor, spark plug 
>> air fitting, and spring compressor.   I tried the 'rope trick' to 
>> hold up the valves. It was no trick it took way to much time. The 
>> time it took me to do #1 cylinder with rope I did 2-6 with an air 
>> compressor.  For doing the seals themselves, myclone responded to me 
>> with a perfect description on how to do them.  #5 was a little tight 
>> for the spring compressor with the brake booster in the way, I had 
>> used a stamp steel spring compressor that my father bought in the 60's.
>>  
>> http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11752
>>  
>> I used the comp cams website for finding zero lash, I think I did my 
>> valve with 1/2 turn of preload.  I did them with the engine running 
>> as well, it wasn't that hard either.
> Here's another good thread about valve seals.  It appears that on some 
> (maybe most?) sy/ty engines, valve seals don't come on the exhaust 
> side.  There are o-rings instead.
> You can replace the o-rings with hi-temp valve seals.  Waiting for 
> Sy2455 to reply with the part #.
> Gary

Whoops.. looks like I forgot to post the thread:

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?t=48852&highlight=valve+seal

I think someone already posted the part no.  Thanks!
Gary
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From seravilo at netzero.net  Sun Jul  1 21:57:18 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 21:57:18 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Banter
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>
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Ewes...

and now CHICKENS?

I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!  I'll have to remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more wildlife... more farm animals.  And then there's those roaches....

Dr. Doolittle
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: PatMerri at aol.com 
  To: syty at syty.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:07 PM
  Subject: [Syty] Banter


  I love it. As a resident lurker I've missed the attacks, arguments, etc. which used to take place in this forum. I pretty much stay away from doing any more than looking as these things remind me of a bunch of chickens, a spot of blood and there's thirty jumping in to vent with twenty six or so not having any idea of what the subject even is. 

  Good to see you're still kicking Dennis!

  X2 Daron!

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From sytydave at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 06:51:20 2007
From: sytydave at gmail.com (Dave Goodhue)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:51:20 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
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>So lemme tell ya what I want... what I really, really want, what I
really, really, really... [Stop
> it!] wanna know from your experience or research:

>If I had each respective piston at TDC and happened to DROP A VALVE (again, no
>pressurized cylinder and assuming the old valve-stem O-ring had
rotted or tore off so that
>nothing could stop the valve from falling all the way through a badly
worn guide) INTO THE >CHAMBER, HOW FAR WOULD THE INTAKE FALL THROUGH
THE GUIDE?  Would the >tip disappear completely into the valve-guide
before the valve came to rest at the top of >the piston?

>Ditto... HOW MUCH FARTHER WOULD THE EXHAUST VALVE DROP?  (This is
strictly >theoretical since I'm only planning to replace the
'guide-boss seals on the intakes and will >likely leave the exhaust
O-rings alone.  They're easy to test for leakage fully assembled
>anyway... just a few drops of penetrating-oil on the keepers.  And,
remember, I'm in a hurry >on this job!  Still, ya never know....)

>That old VALVE-COVER GASKET THANG....

I have my motor out my truck and with the heads already removed, later
this week I will take some picture of the valve cover clips and I will
test out dropping the valve.  I think it will complete disappear, but
I am not 100% sure.

>Why not use sealer or gasket adhesive on the recessed surfaces of the
covers?  When I >spoke of my Trans Am covers and those recessed orange
gaskets, they were really >permanently installed and I never had to
worry about 'em "falling out" or even getting >loose.  It was
beautiful-- better than I used to set up my Fel-Pros or Mitchells on
my old >chrome covers for '60s engines!  I don't get that stuff about
binder clips at all... hope >you're not just trying to spook me.  Know
where I could get a PICTURE of the inside of >one of these covers?

I actually did try to use some RTV blue, but it didn't adhere (I
didn't use a ton of it though)  Maybe I didn't get enough of the oil
residue off the inside of the valve cover groove.  My TPI Corvette had
rubber gaskets and they stay perfectly fine in the valve covers.  I
actually tried 3 set of gaskets to see which ones worked in my Sy's
OEM valve covers.  My orignal OEM, the new one I had used but had 1000
miles on them and a brand new set, they were all to loose to manuever
through the motion of putting the valve covers on.


From seravilo at netzero.net  Mon Jul  2 10:19:12 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 10:19:12 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
References: <4676A864.9070208@thecrosbygroup.com>
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OK!

I'll wait for your hands-on tests.  Assuming you're using stock heads with stock guides, my guess is that the naked Intake Valve will only drop to the top groove before it is stopped by the TDC piston-- and certainly no more than have the tip disappear into the guide by 1/8th-inch.  I could live with that... could pull it out with a decent magnet, especially with the guide all oiled-up and badly worn.

Not to be critical, Dave, but RTV is a GASKET-SUBSTITUTE, not a gasket-sealer/adhesive.  Depending on one's plans for eventual or repeated disassembly of a gasketed part, he should use something on the spectrum from Hylomar to "Gorilla Snot" 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive....  Using RTV for a closed-groove gasket would generate a lot of cure-gas and weaken the contact points where the original "set" took place as the vapor tried to escape.  I'd never use RTV-silicone for that application; besides, the curing and subsequent re-heating outgases tend to foul, coat, and prematurely disable oxygen sensors!  Just a thought....

Thanx in advance,

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Goodhue 
  To: DOlivares 
  Cc: SYTY 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?


  >So lemme tell ya what I want... what I really, really want, what I
  really, really, really... [Stop
  > it!] wanna know from your experience or research:

  >If I had each respective piston at TDC and happened to DROP A VALVE (again, no
  >pressurized cylinder and assuming the old valve-stem O-ring had
  rotted or tore off so that
  >nothing could stop the valve from falling all the way through a badly
  worn guide) INTO THE >CHAMBER, HOW FAR WOULD THE INTAKE FALL THROUGH
  THE GUIDE?  Would the >tip disappear completely into the valve-guide
  before the valve came to rest at the top of >the piston?

  >Ditto... HOW MUCH FARTHER WOULD THE EXHAUST VALVE DROP?  (This is
  strictly >theoretical since I'm only planning to replace the
  'guide-boss seals on the intakes and will >likely leave the exhaust
  O-rings alone.  They're easy to test for leakage fully assembled
  >anyway... just a few drops of penetrating-oil on the keepers.  And,
  remember, I'm in a hurry >on this job!  Still, ya never know....)

  >That old VALVE-COVER GASKET THANG....

  I have my motor out my truck and with the heads already removed, later
  this week I will take some picture of the valve cover clips and I will
  test out dropping the valve.  I think it will complete disappear, but
  I am not 100% sure.

  >Why not use sealer or gasket adhesive on the recessed surfaces of the
  covers?  When I >spoke of my Trans Am covers and those recessed orange
  gaskets, they were really >permanently installed and I never had to
  worry about 'em "falling out" or even getting >loose.  It was
  beautiful-- better than I used to set up my Fel-Pros or Mitchells on
  my old >chrome covers for '60s engines!  I don't get that stuff about
  binder clips at all... hope >you're not just trying to spook me.  Know
  where I could get a PICTURE of the inside of >one of these covers?

  I actually did try to use some RTV blue, but it didn't adhere (I
  didn't use a ton of it though)  Maybe I didn't get enough of the oil
  residue off the inside of the valve cover groove.  My TPI Corvette had
  rubber gaskets and they stay perfectly fine in the valve covers.  I
  actually tried 3 set of gaskets to see which ones worked in my Sy's
  OEM valve covers.  My orignal OEM, the new one I had used but had 1000
  miles on them and a brand new set, they were all to loose to manuever
  through the motion of putting the valve covers on.
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From sytydave at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 11:01:49 2007
From: sytydave at gmail.com (Dave Goodhue)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
In-Reply-To: <001801c7bcbc$db8b4700$13406b43@coresys1>
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>
>
> Not to be critical, Dave, but RTV is a GASKET-*SUBSTITUTE*, not a
> gasket-sealer/adhesive.  Depending on one's plans for eventual or repeated
> disassembly of a gasketed part, he should use something on the spectrum from
> Hylomar to "Gorilla Snot" 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive....  Using RTV for a
> closed-groove gasket would generate a lot of cure-gas and weaken the contact
> points where the original "set" took place as the vapor tried to escape.
> I'd *never* use RTV-silicone for that application; besides, the curing and
> subsequent re-heating outgases tend to foul, coat, and prematurely disable
> oxygen sensors!  Just a thought....
>

I know it wasn't the right application, I had used only dabs in 6
places.  The RTV didn't stick to the metal valve covers anyways, and I
didn't reuse those gaskets.

It was a time of desperation, I had already slice two of my fingers trying
to put the valve cover while trying to hold the gasket in place & it hot as
hell, with sweat dripping in my eyes.  The valve covers had been leaking, I
was doing this at night in my garage and I was getting ready to make a
500 mile each way trip to a meet the next day, so I had to start trying
something, I ned the valve cover on that night.  On the trip, one of the
covers still leaked and I ended up redoing it and using those binding clips.
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From seravilo at netzero.net  Mon Jul  2 12:22:56 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:22:56 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?
References: <4676A864.9070208@thecrosbygroup.com>
	<003701c7b1c8$a2433ec0$0f406b43@coresys1>
	<46860FA8.5010904@thesantacruzhouse.com>
	<001401c7bb38$69e07970$09406b43@coresys1>
	<ba3beb080706301200m1c65ee58x65a45b0ba5bdbe96@mail.gmail.com>
	<003001c7bbdc$dcf5e450$11406b43@coresys1>
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Message-ID: <001201c7bccd$a2f3e940$33406b43@coresys1>

Haste makes WASTE!

That's why I'm trying to get as much homework done now... before I start in with wrenches & stuff.  Next time, as a veteran, I'll be able to do it in my sleep!

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dave Goodhue 
  To: DOlivares 
  Cc: SYTY 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Valve-Cover Gaskets...?



    Not to be critical, Dave, but RTV is a GASKET-SUBSTITUTE, not a gasket-sealer/adhesive.  Depending on one's plans for eventual or repeated disassembly of a gasketed part, he should use something on the spectrum from Hylomar to "Gorilla Snot" 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive....  Using RTV for a closed-groove gasket would generate a lot of cure-gas and weaken the contact points where the original "set" took place as the vapor tried to escape.  I'd never use RTV-silicone for that application; besides, the curing and subsequent re-heating outgases tend to foul, coat, and prematurely disable oxygen sensors!  Just a thought....

  I know it wasn't the right application, I had used only dabs in 6 places.  The RTV didn't stick to the metal valve covers anyways, and I didn't reuse those gaskets. 

  It was a time of desperation, I had already slice two of my fingers trying to put the valve cover while trying to hold the gasket in place & it hot as hell, with sweat dripping in my eyes.  The valve covers had been leaking, I was doing this at night in my garage and I was getting ready to make a 500 mile each way trip to a meet the next day, so I had to start trying something, I ned the valve cover on that night.  On the trip, one of the covers still leaked and I ended up redoing it and using those binding clips. 
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From lowell at raisongroup.com  Wed Jul  4 09:15:32 2007
From: lowell at raisongroup.com (Lowell Raison)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 93 Ty
Message-ID: <000001c7be45$cb874810$0401000a@hewlettmi4yof2>

Need a roof rack and rear spoiler for a 93 Ty.

 

Anybody got them for sale or can direct where I can get?

 

Lowell

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From jabbatruck at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 10:28:12 2007
From: jabbatruck at gmail.com (Jabba Truck)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:28:12 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Banter
In-Reply-To: <001201c7bc54$b8dd15c0$2a406b43@coresys1>
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <ac48aac60707050828j159cee7ckabaa2094b3e516f0@mail.gmail.com>

Chickens have been a part of the SyTy world since the appearance of Kak at
the 'Nats all those years ago.



On 7/1/07, DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> wrote:
>
>  Ewes...
>
> and now *CHICKENS?*
>
> I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!  I'll have to
> remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more
> wildlife... more farm animals.  And then there's those roaches....
>
> Dr. Doolittle
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>
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From bullyhart at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 10:50:03 2007
From: bullyhart at aol.com (Daron)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Banter
In-Reply-To: <ac48aac60707050828j159cee7ckabaa2094b3e516f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>	<001201c7bc54$b8dd15c0$2a406b43@coresys1>
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Yeah, but Dennis brought it up a notch with his smokin ewe deal.? 

We never smoked the KaK.

Funny thing about Dennis.? I have lived in the same town as him for the last 3 years I have met up with other SyTy people, been to all the car shows -?but he never shows.? I am starting to wonder if he even has a truck? Has anyone ever seen it/them?

Daron


-----Original Message-----
From: Jabba Truck <jabbatruck at gmail.com>
To: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>; SYTY <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:28 am
Subject: Re: [Syty] Banter



Chickens have been a part of the SyTy world since the appearance of Kak at the 'Nats all those years ago.



?

On 7/1/07, DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> wrote: 


Ewes...

?

and now CHICKENS?

?

I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!? I'll have to remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more wildlife... more farm animals.? And then there's those roaches.... 

?

Dr. Doolittle 


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From seravilo at netzero.net  Thu Jul  5 11:45:35 2007
From: seravilo at netzero.net (DOlivares)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:45:35 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Banter
References: <c94.144c3045.33b9637e@aol.com>	<001201c7bc54$b8dd15c0$2a406b43@coresys1>
	<ac48aac60707050828j159cee7ckabaa2094b3e516f0@mail.gmail.com>
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News to me...

especially with all the San Antonio lines I've been dropping for the last 6 years.  And they call ME "secret squirrel"?  Who knows what other latent mysteries await revelation....

Anyone too ignorant to "get" the obvious SMOKY YUNICK reference I laid down is too ignorant to run with my ponies!  Stay on your own side of town, Roach!

All others are welcome,

D.O.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daron 
  To: jabbatruck at gmail.com ; seravilo at netzero.net ; syty at syty.org 
  Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:50 AM
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Banter


  Yeah, but Dennis brought it up a notch with his smokin ewe deal.  

  We never smoked the KaK.

  Funny thing about Dennis.  I have lived in the same town as him for the last 3 years I have met up with other SyTy people, been to all the car shows - but he never shows.  I am starting to wonder if he even has a truck? Has anyone ever seen it/them?

  Daron


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jabba Truck <jabbatruck at gmail.com>
  To: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>; SYTY <syty at syty.org>
  Sent: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:28 am
  Subject: Re: [Syty] Banter


  Chickens have been a part of the SyTy world since the appearance of Kak at the 'Nats all those years ago.


   
  On 7/1/07, DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> wrote: 
    Ewes...

    and now CHICKENS?

    I didn't realize I was dealing with such a RURAL crowd!  I'll have to remember to modify my technical and literary references to include more wildlife... more farm animals.  And then there's those roaches.... 

    Dr. Doolittle 
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From RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 15:26:45 2007
From: RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com (RadarBlueTyphoon at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:26:45 EDT
Subject: [Syty] Banter (Does Dennis own a Ty/Sy)
Message-ID: <c05.19c133d4.33beae05@aol.com>

Even though I don't own a Typhoon any more and probably never  will again, I 
usually read these post when I can. A lot of times I read  them just to see 
what Dennis has to say. Yeah he can be off the wall at times  (come on he says 
he worked for NASA, the home of people who are way out there),  but he's always 
willing to lend his advice when someone ask a question. So what  if he adds 
more information than you where asking for, atleast he tried to help  and 
that's what this is all about right.
 
Ok so back to the subject at hand. Does Dennis own a Sy/Ty?  While he says he 
owns a Syclone and I believe him, I can guarantee that he owns  the best 
looking Typhoon I've ever seen, but then again I sold it to him so  I'm partial. 
Dennis bought my 1 of 2 Radar Blue Metallic Typhoon and although it  needed 
some work when I sold it to him, I think just based  on best color they ever put 
on a Ty he has one. That is the reason I  will probably never own another one, 
because it wouldn't be the  right color. Well the other reason might have to 
do with the fact that  I just replaced it with a 2004 supercharged Z06 and 
while Ty/Sy's are  awesome, my Ty never scared me the way this vette does when it 
 accelerates.  
 
I wish I would have had more time to have come to some of the  event's this 
club has had over the years, but it's time for me to move on and  start a need 
group of friends that share my new interest. Thanks to everyone for  all the 
help over the years and remember to keep helping each other. That's the  reason 
I stayed a member so long, even after years of not owning a  Sy/Ty.
 
Best Luck to everyone, and Dennis if your ever in St. Louis  with that Ty or 
I make it down your way, I'm going to want to see it  again.
 
Timothy Weir



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From lowell at raisongroup.com  Sun Jul  8 08:19:53 2007
From: lowell at raisongroup.com (Lowell Raison)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 92Ty
Message-ID: <000501c7c162$ad2a3a10$0401000a@hewlettmi4yof2>

Thanks to all who responded about the roof rack/spoiler.

 

Next question. Does anyone have a set of stock wheels in really good
condition for sale?

 

Preferably near Lucasville, OH or Dunnellon, FL so I could pick up rather
than ship.

 

Thanks

 

Lowell

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From jsmirz at comcast.net  Mon Jul  9 10:11:37 2007
From: jsmirz at comcast.net (Jeffrey Smirz)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
In-Reply-To: <006a01c7ba67$731c97c0$09406b43@coresys1>
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I just HAD to say this:
Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining (and  
informative!) as a Double D go 'round!
Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.
Jeff



On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:

> Ah yes,
>
> ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and flatulence...  
> didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his pen!  Cockroaches are a lot  
> like that.  Maybe we should find him a new nickname...?
>
> Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from:
>
> Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition
>
> vs.
>
> Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.
>
> You be the judge....
>
> D.O.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daron
> To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net
> Cc: syty at syty.org
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>
> Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise for a  
> street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower goal.  Find a  
> horsepower target and build your truck for that, not the other way  
> around.  I mainly disagree with what dennis is "smokin,"   
> especially if we are talking female sheep...
> Daron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>
> To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>
> Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>
> Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>
> Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on what kind of  
> LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how much extra gasoline  
> you're willing to buy if you DON'T...
> drive around town in Overdrive, and
> drive around town a lot above 42mph.
> Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will contribute when  
> NOT driving in OD... and assuming you haven't disabled your TCC--  
> good for performance, bad for heat and gas mileage!
>
> High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix (silly  
> Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under 3000rpm when I  
> ordered my Vigilante, whose primary selling point for me was its  
> grippy, 4x clutch area.  I wanted extra insurance that the TCC  
> would stay locked up in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor...  
> wanted the good gas economy above 42mph.
>
> So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine or like  
> harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed so much.  If you  
> are trying to smoke tires to the exclusion of much else, MATCH your  
> stall speed to the torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your  
> cam and intake velocity to jointly achieve....
>
> Smoky Ewe-Nick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Metzing
> To: DOlivares
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>
> Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC be good  
> enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future like a PTE setup?
>
> Ted
>
> DOlivares wrote:
>> I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be  
>> mechanically different from the version in your Ty.  All I did to  
>> mine was...
>> Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm;
>> B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!);
>> Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from Derale;
>> Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid;
>>  and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!)
>> No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine more.   
>> Transmission issues are closed for the moment... dead-reliable  
>> status already achieved!
>>
>> D.O.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ted Metzing
>> To: syty at syty.org
>> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM
>> Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
>>
>> I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has a 1991  
>> Camaro
>> and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a $100. Is there
>> any difference between that trans and the stock one in my 1993 Ty? If
>> not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it (please specify
>> brand names) like what torque convertor company to use and is a 3000
>> stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans cooler should I
>> use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods like setting
>> timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing the metal  
>> lines
>> for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, cap/rotor,  
>> Iridium
>> NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on it, ran  
>> best of
>> 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 octane with a
>> little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because of the
>> upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb lucas green
>> stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this will create a
>> little discussion out there. Thanks again.
>>
>> Ted Metzing
>> 93 Typhoon
>> 06 TBSS
>> 05 HD V-rod
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Syty mailing list
>> Syty at syty.org
>> http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty
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From denny1213 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  9 20:37:17 2007
From: denny1213 at yahoo.com (Denny Ramharakh)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
Message-ID: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hey Jeff, 
It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on email, maybe its time get some new frineds.  :)

Denny
A wannabe contributor to syty list activity!



----- Original Message ----
From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net>
To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans

I just HAD to say this:  
Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining (and informative!) as a Double D go 'round!
Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.

Jeff






On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:


Ah yes,
 
...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his pen!  Cockroaches are a lot like that.  Maybe we should find him a new nickname...?
 
Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from: 
 
Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition
 
vs.
 
Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.
 
You be the judge....
 
D.O. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Daron 
To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net 
Cc: syty at syty.org 
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower goal.  Find a horsepower target and build your truck for that, not the other way around.  I mainly disagree with what dennis is "smokin,"  especially if we are talking female sheep...

Daron



-----Original Message-----
From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>
To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>
Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T...
drive around town in Overdrive, and 
drive around town a lot above 42mph.
Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for heat and gas mileage!
 
High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix (silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under 3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area.  I wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the good gas economy above 42mph.
 
So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed so much.  If you are trying to smoke tires to the exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and intake velocity to jointly achieve....
 
Smoky Ewe-Nick 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ted Metzing 
To: DOlivares 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future like a PTE setup?

Ted

DOlivares wrote: 
I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be mechanically different from the version in your Ty.  All I did to mine was...
Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; 
B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); 
Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from Derale; 
Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; 
 and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) 
No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine more.  Transmission issues are closed for the moment... dead-reliable status already achieved!
 
D.O. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ted Metzing 
To: syty at syty.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans


I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has a 1991 Camaro
and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a $100. Is there
any difference between that trans and the stock one in my 1993 Ty? If
not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it (please specify
brand names) like what torque convertor company to use and is a 3000
stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans cooler should I
use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods like setting
timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing the metal lines
for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, cap/rotor, Iridium
NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on it, ran best of
13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 octane with a
little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because of the
upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb lucas green
stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this will create a
little discussion out there. Thanks again.

Ted Metzing
93 Typhoon
06 TBSS
05 HD V-rod

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From sdela at aciglobal.com  Tue Jul 10 10:04:10 2007
From: sdela at aciglobal.com (sdela at aciglobal.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:04:10 -0500
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
In-Reply-To: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <web-9501555@mailadmin.aciglobal.com>

Don't forget that your Ty trans has an AWD transfer case 
bolted to it.  The camaro 700r4 won't bolt right up unless 
the camaro is/was 4x4. :)

  This may be more work than it's worth.


   With a little bit of homework and a decent local 
builder, you can have your typhoon tranny well built for 
under a thousand dollars.



serv






On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
  Denny Ramharakh <denny1213 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Jeff, 
> It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on 
>email, maybe its time get some new frineds.  :)
> 
> Denny
> A wannabe contributor to syty list activity!
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
>From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net>
> To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> I just HAD to say this:  
> Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining 
>(and informative!) as a Double D go 'round!
> Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah yes,
> 
> ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and 
>flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his 
>pen!  Cockroaches are a lot like that.  Maybe we should 
>find him a new nickname...?
> 
> Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to 
>choose from: 
> 
> Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience 
>and erudition
> 
> vs.
> 
> Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.
> 
> You be the judge....
> 
> D.O. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Daron 
> To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net 
> Cc: syty at syty.org 
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise 
>for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower 
>goal.  Find a horsepower target and build your truck for 
>that, not the other way around.  I mainly disagree with 
>what dennis is "smokin,"  especially if we are talking 
>female sheep...
> 
> Daron
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>
> To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>
> Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>
> Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on 
>what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how 
>much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T...
> drive around town in Overdrive, and 
> drive around town a lot above 42mph.
> Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will 
>contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you 
>haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for 
>heat and gas mileage!
> 
> High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix 
>(silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under 
>3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary 
>selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area.  I 
>wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up 
>in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the 
>good gas economy above 42mph.
> 
> So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine 
>or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed 
>so much.  If you are trying to smoke tires to the 
>exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the 
>torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and 
>intake velocity to jointly achieve....
> 
> Smoky Ewe-Nick 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Ted Metzing 
> To: DOlivares 
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC 
>be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future 
>like a PTE setup?
> 
> Ted
> 
> DOlivares wrote: 
> I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would 
>be mechanically different from the version in your Ty. 
> All I did to mine was...
> Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; 
> B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); 
> Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from 
>Derale; 
> Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; 
> and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) 
> No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine 
>more.  Transmission issues are closed for the moment... 
>dead-reliable status already achieved!
> 
> D.O. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Ted Metzing 
> To: syty at syty.org 
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM
> Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
> 
> 
> I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has 
>a 1991 Camaro
> and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a 
>$100. Is there
> any difference between that trans and the stock one in 
>my 1993 Ty? If
> not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it 
>(please specify
> brand names) like what torque convertor company to use 
>and is a 3000
> stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans 
>cooler should I
> use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods 
>like setting
> timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing 
>the metal lines
> for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, 
>cap/rotor, Iridium
> NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on 
>it, ran best of
> 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 
>octane with a
> little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because 
>of the
> upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb 
>lucas green
> stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this 
>will create a
> little discussion out there. Thanks again.
> 
> Ted Metzing
> 93 Typhoon
> 06 TBSS
> 05 HD V-rod
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Syty mailing list
> Syty at syty.org
> http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty
> 
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> 
> 
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>about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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From bullyhart at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 13:06:13 2007
From: bullyhart at aol.com (Daron)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:06:13 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
In-Reply-To: <web-9501555@mailadmin.aciglobal.com>
References: <294014.36759.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<web-9501555@mailadmin.aciglobal.com>
Message-ID: <8C9913423227525-17F0-4D90@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com>

> > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:?
> > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from: 
> > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition?
> > vs.?Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.?

> > DOlivares wrote: 
> > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be mechanically different from the
> > version in your Ty.

> > You be the judge....?

I rest my case...

Daron

-----Original Message-----
From: sdela at aciglobal.com
To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>
Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:04 am
Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans


Don't forget that your Ty trans has an AWD transfer case bolted to it. The camaro 700r4 won't bolt right up unless the camaro is/was 4x4. :)?
?
?This may be more work than it's worth.?
?
? With a little bit of homework and a decent local builder, you can have your typhoon tranny well built for under a thousand dollars.?
?
?
serv?
?
?
?
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)?
?Denny Ramharakh <denny1213 at yahoo.com> wrote:?
> Hey Jeff, > It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on >email, maybe its time get some new frineds. :)?
> > Denny?
> A wannabe contributor to syty list activity!?
> > > > ----- Original Message ----?
>From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net>?
> To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>?
> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > I just HAD to say this: > Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining >(and informative!) as a Double D go 'round!?
> Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.?
> > Jeff?
> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:?
> > > Ah yes,?
> > ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and >flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his >pen! Cockroaches are a lot like that. Maybe we should >find him a new nickname...??
> > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to >choose from: > > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience >and erudition?
> > vs.?
> > Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities.?
> > You be the judge....?
> > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Daron > To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net > Cc: syty at syty.org > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise >for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower >goal. Find a horsepower target and build your truck for >that, not the other way around. I mainly disagree with >what dennis is "smokin," especially if we are talking >female sheep...?
> > Daron?
> > > > -----Original Message-----?
>From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net>?
> To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net>?
> Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org>?
> Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on >what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how >much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T...?
> drive around town in Overdrive, and > drive around town a lot above 42mph.?
> Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will >contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you >haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for >heat and gas mileage!?
> > High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix >(silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under >3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary >selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area. I >wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up >in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the >good gas economy above 42mph.?
> > So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine >or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed >so much. If you are trying to smoke tires to the >exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the >torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and >intake velocity to jointly achieve....?
> > Smoky Ewe-Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: DOlivares > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM?
> Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC >be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future >like a PTE setup??
> > Ted?
> > DOlivares wrote: > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would >be mechanically different from the version in your Ty. > All I did to mine was...?
> Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; > B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); > Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from >Derale; > Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; > and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) > No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine >more. Transmission issues are closed for the moment... >dead-reliable status already achieved!?
> > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: syty at syty.org > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM?
> Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans?
> > > I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has >a 1991 Camaro?
> and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a >$100. Is there?
> any difference between that trans and the stock one in >my 1993 Ty? If?
> not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it >(please specify?
> brand names) like what torque convertor company to use >and is a 3000?
> stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans >cooler should I?
> use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods >like setting?
> timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing >the metal lines?
> for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, >cap/rotor, Iridium?
> NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on >it, ran best of?
> 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 >octane with a?
> little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because >of the?
> upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb >lucas green?
> stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this >will create a?
> little discussion out there. Thanks again.?
> > Ted Metzing?
> 93 Typhoon?
> 06 TBSS?
> 05 HD V-rod?
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From stp33 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 14:37:43 2007
From: stp33 at hotmail.com (S Price)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:37:43 +0000
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
Message-ID: <BAY126-W50E5B0E3F976D2ACFA30F1B8050@phx.gbl>


Yes there is a difference... i had my ty when i had it at a chevy dealership to have the trany replaced.. they put in "any other 700r4" i think it was for a S10 blazer and it didnt work.. the Ty wouldnt move... the TY tranny for somereason is different.. Save youe $100 and have yours rebuilt... i got a deal at  the dealership(employee cost + installation) and it was around 1800$


To: syty at syty.orgSubject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 transDate: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:06:13 -0400From: bullyhart at aol.com> > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote: > > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to choose from: > > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience and erudition > > vs. Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities. > > DOlivares wrote: > > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be mechanically different from the> > version in your Ty.> > You be the judge.... I rest my case...Daron-----Original Message-----From: sdela at aciglobal.comTo: SyTy List <syty at syty.org>Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:04 amSubject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans
Don't forget that your Ty trans has an AWD transfer case bolted to it. The camaro 700r4 won't bolt right up unless the camaro is/was 4x4. :)   This may be more work than it's worth.    With a little bit of homework and a decent local builder, you can have your typhoon tranny well built for under a thousand dollars.   serv    On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:37:17 -0700 (PDT)  Denny Ramharakh <denny1213 at yahoo.com> wrote: > Hey Jeff, > It this is the most entertaining thing to you get on >email, maybe its time get some new frineds. :) > > Denny > A wannabe contributor to syty list activity! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- >From: Jeffrey Smirz <jsmirz at comcast.net> > To: SyTy List <syty at syty.org> > Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 10:11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > I just HAD to say this: > Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining >(and informative!) as a Double D go 'round! > Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants. > > Jeff > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote: > > > Ah yes, > > ...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and >flatulence... didn't take long to SMOKE him outta his >pen! Cockroaches are a lot like that. Maybe we should >find him a new nickname...? > > Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a plain selection to >choose from: > > Detailed reasoned advice based on 35 years of experience >and erudition > > vs. > > Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities. > > You be the judge.... > > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Daron > To: seravilo at netzero.net ; theodore.metzing at verizon.net > Cc: syty at syty.org > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise >for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower >goal. Find a horsepower target and build your truck for >that, not the other way around. I mainly disagree with >what dennis is "smokin," especially if we are talking >female sheep... > > Daron > > > > -----Original Message----- >From: DOlivares <seravilo at netzero.net> > To: Ted Metzing <theodore.metzing at verizon.net> > Cc: SYTY <syty at syty.org> > Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on >what kind of LAUNCH you're trying to achieve... and how >much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you DON'T... > drive around town in Overdrive, and > drive around town a lot above 42mph. > Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will >contribute when NOT driving in OD... and assuming you >haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for >heat and gas mileage! > > High-stalls on the street are for kids-- much like Trix >(silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under >3000rpm when I ordered my Vigilante, whose primary >selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area. I >wanted extra insurance that the TCC would stay locked up >in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the >good gas economy above 42mph. > > So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine >or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed >so much. If you are trying to smoke tires to the >exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the >torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and >intake velocity to jointly achieve.... > > Smoky Ewe-Nick > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: DOlivares > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM > Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC >be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future >like a PTE setup? > > Ted > > DOlivares wrote: > I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would >be mechanically different from the version in your Ty. > All I did to mine was... > Swap-out the TC for a Vigilante, stall = 2800rpm; > B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely no difference!); > Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from >Derale; > Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid; > and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!) > No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine >more. Transmission issues are closed for the moment... >dead-reliable status already achieved! > > D.O. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ted Metzing > To: syty at syty.org > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM > Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans > > > I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has >a 1991 Camaro > and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a >$100. Is there > any difference between that trans and the stock one in >my 1993 Ty? If > not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it >(please specify > brand names) like what torque convertor company to use >and is a 3000 > stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans >cooler should I > use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods >like setting > timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing >the metal lines > for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, >cap/rotor, Iridium > NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on >it, ran best of > 13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 >octane with a > little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because >of the > upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb >lucas green > stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this >will create a > little discussion out there. Thanks again. > > Ted Metzing > 93 Typhoon > 06 TBSS > 05 HD V-rod > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more >about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > > _______________________________________________ > Syty mailing list > Syty at syty.org > http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out >Yahoo! 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From eqs at frontiernet.net  Tue Jul 10 16:20:27 2007
From: eqs at frontiernet.net (eqs at frontiernet.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 17:20:27 -0400
Subject: [Syty] 700r4 trans
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References: <BAY126-W50E5B0E3F976D2ACFA30F1B8050@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070710172027.rpu6go4r90w04koc@webmail.frontiernet.net>


I would not move because the pump might not be working correctly or  
the torque convertor was shot.

Best best is to fix the ty transmission with better parts.

Quoting S Price <stp33 at hotmail.com>:

>
> Yes there is a difference... i had my ty when i had it at a chevy   
> dealership to have the trany replaced.. they put in "any other   
> 700r4" i think it was for a S10 blazer and it didnt work.. the Ty   
> wouldnt move... the TY tranny for somereason is different.. Save   
> youe $100 and have yours rebuilt... i got a deal at  the   
> dealership(employee cost + installation) and it was around 1800$
>



From MrGhst at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:06:13 2007
From: MrGhst at aol.com (MrGhst at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:06:13 EDT
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
Message-ID: <bfc.1a856f96.33d25395@aol.com>

Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
    The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired right away 
upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled down.  When the 
engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found myself nursing it home 
keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem except at lights and stop signs.)  
I got a code of 43  that my code reader says is EST circuit - low voltage 
detected  or ESC circuit problems.
    Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it is THE 
problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know the 
next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I be looking for?
 
Thanks, 
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From loeryder at swbell.net  Fri Jul 20 13:53:16 2007
From: loeryder at swbell.net (Jason Granger)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
In-Reply-To: <bfc.1a856f96.33d25395@aol.com>
Message-ID: <713302.45482.qm@web83208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Code 43 EST typically points to the knock sensor.

They are cheap but a pain to replace.
You can find it threaded into the block just behind the drivers side head.
It will have a single dark blue wire leading to it.

Be sure to not overtorque it.
I think it is rated for 14 ft/lbs.



MrGhst at aol.com wrote:     Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
     The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired right away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled down.  When the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found myself nursing it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem except at lights and stop signs.)  I got a code of 43  that my code reader says is EST circuit - low voltage detected  or ESC circuit problems.
     Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it is THE problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know the next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I be looking for?
  
 Thanks, 
 Mark 




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From tydriver at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 16:31:52 2007
From: tydriver at hotmail.com (Rick In Central Texas)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
In-Reply-To: <713302.45482.qm@web83208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-F21473D06BC1EB4BC7C326CDCF40@phx.gbl>

I've been getting itermittent code 43's for about 2 years now.  Seems to be 
an intermittent open in the wiring  ... and it never had driveability 
problems like you describe.  If EST has a fault, boost is disabled, 
otherwise truck should run OK, but watch out for situation which might cause 
detonation.

Fo your symptoms, I would suspect IAC problem, or a vacuum line/fitting 
broke and you now have a big vacuum leak.  Keep us posted on the 
troubleshooting progress...


From: Jason Granger <loeryder at swbell.net>
To: MrGhst at aol.com, syty at syty.org
Subject: Re: [Syty] Need Help
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT)

Code 43 EST typically points to the knock sensor.

They are cheap but a pain to replace.
You can find it threaded into the block just behind the drivers side head.
It will have a single dark blue wire leading to it.

Be sure to not overtorque it.
I think it is rated for 14 ft/lbs.



MrGhst at aol.com wrote:     Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
      The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired right 
away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled down.  When 
the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found myself nursing 
it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem except at lights and 
stop signs.)  I got a code of 43  that my code reader says is EST circuit - 
low voltage detected  or ESC circuit problems.
      Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it is 
THE problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know 
the next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I be looking 
for?

  Thanks,
  Mark




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From eqs at frontiernet.net  Fri Jul 20 16:38:58 2007
From: eqs at frontiernet.net (eqs at frontiernet.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:38:58 -0400
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-F21473D06BC1EB4BC7C326CDCF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY128-F21473D06BC1EB4BC7C326CDCF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070720173858.z40xyukh2ag0kc0k@webmail.frontiernet.net>


I second the motion for IAC cleanup and check of vacuum lines.

Quoting Rick In Central Texas <tydriver at hotmail.com>:

> I've been getting itermittent code 43's for about 2 years now.  Seems
> to be an intermittent open in the wiring  ... and it never had
> driveability problems like you describe.  If EST has a fault, boost is
> disabled, otherwise truck should run OK, but watch out for situation
> which might cause detonation.
>
> Fo your symptoms, I would suspect IAC problem, or a vacuum line/fitting
> broke and you now have a big vacuum leak.  Keep us posted on the
> troubleshooting progress...
>
>
> From: Jason Granger <loeryder at swbell.net>
> To: MrGhst at aol.com, syty at syty.org
> Subject: Re: [Syty] Need Help
> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Code 43 EST typically points to the knock sensor.
>
> They are cheap but a pain to replace.
> You can find it threaded into the block just behind the drivers side head.
> It will have a single dark blue wire leading to it.
>
> Be sure to not overtorque it.
> I think it is rated for 14 ft/lbs.
>
>
>
> MrGhst at aol.com wrote:     Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
>      The other day as I made a turn, the engine  died.  It re-fired
> right away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a  bit but settled
> down.  When the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died  again.  I found
> myself nursing it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.   (Not a problem
> except at lights and stop signs.)  I got a code of 43  that my code
> reader says is EST circuit - low voltage detected  or ESC circuit
> problems.
>      Could this be THE problem or is this a  different problem?  If it
> is THE problem, what's the next  step?  (I guess either way, I'll need
> to know the next step.)  If it  is not the problem, what else should I
> be looking for?
>
>  Thanks,
>  Mark
>
>
>
>
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From tydriver at turbols6.com  Sat Jul 21 00:42:13 2007
From: tydriver at turbols6.com (tydriver@gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Syty] Need Help
References: <bfc.1a856f96.33d25395@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501c7cb59$e564e0f0$6601a8c0@ibm>

Funny you mention that problem occurred immediately after turning the wheel. I had that problem (gasp when my truck wasn't in pieces) and as it turned out, the steering shaft somehow hooked some overly long plug wires and yanked it clean off the plug while it was running..  I also had a similar issue on the previous set of wires where it got too close to the DP and melted the insulation.. Just a couple of cheap things to check IMO.

Todd

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MrGhst at aol.com 
  To: syty at syty.org 
  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:06 PM
  Subject: [Syty] Need Help


  Dear SyTy Intelligence Squad:
      The other day as I made a turn, the engine died.  It re-fired right away upon key turn and the tach jumped around a bit but settled down.  When the engine RPM dropped to 1000 RPM it died again.  I found myself nursing it home keeping it above 1000 RPM.  (Not a problem except at lights and stop signs.)  I got a code of 43 that my code reader says is EST circuit - low voltage detected or ESC circuit problems.
      Could this be THE problem or is this a different problem?  If it is THE problem, what's the next step?  (I guess either way, I'll need to know the next step.)  If it is not the problem, what else should I be looking for?

  Thanks, 
  Mark 





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From rbryanmorrison at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 23 17:07:56 2007
From: rbryanmorrison at earthlink.net (R. Bryan Morrison)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:07:56 -0700
Subject: [Syty] 1992 Red/Black leather interior Typhoon with 36,
	000 miles for sale in Southern Calif.
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1992 Red GMC Typhoon, 36,000 miles for sale in Southern California - $14,250.  Title is free & clear and in my possession. 

This beautiful vehicle is in excellent condition, both inside and out - garaged at my home.  Mechanically the car is near flawless with a history of modifications and equipment improvements by Race Proven Motorsports in Los Angeles.  It runs extremely strong with documented performance.

A two page listing of modifications and equipment improvements available by email.  Additionally, most all factory and aftermarket manuals covering installation and use of various components will be included.  There are hundreds of pages in three separate three-ring binders as well as GMC Typhoon Service Videos in DVD format.

The previous owner is available for additional SYTY truck history.

Reply for e-photos or additional information.


Bryan
909-266-1252
rbryanmorrison at earthlink.net
 
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