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<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>I ended up getting a
new ECM from RockAuto for $118... delivered to my door. Now, I still have
to decide whom I want to rebuild or trade my original <FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2>#1227749....</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Those other WEASELS at
ECUDirect.com wanted $200 (plus freight both ways!) to rebuild my bad ECM and
$170 for a newly refurb'd one-- plus core charge!
OUTRAGEOUS!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>So at least I'm back on
the road with fewer headaches....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=6><U>RESULTS
OF ROAD-TEST TWO:</U></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>I decided to run around
this morning after the rush-hour crush had subsided to see if the newly
transplanted Ty-ECM had "slept well" in its new home in the 'Clone's harness--
and worse, to see if I had to eat crow for breakfast, in lieu of my usual diet
of nails and glass shards. Sorry, Bully-Boy, et al. but not just yet...
maybe not ever:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>I had the exact same
ROTTEN hunt/starve start-up I had back in November when this problem first
surfaced! That ultra-fast idle I had last night at shutdown-- which I
surely could have used to keep from having to pump that gas pedal to keep the
engine alive-- was nowhere to be found, damn it! After dying a few times
after I went into Reverse, I finally got out of the drive way with all kinds of
heaving and cutting out. I drove down to the end of the block in second
gear as usual (I have a neighborhood-menace image to maintain!) and things
started to clear up a bit. By the time I got out of the subdivision,
things looked as though they may actually be getting back to normal... higher
boost to boot!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>I dreaded the coming of
the 5-minute breakdown, but it never came! Things were looking up!!
A little hesitation at stoplights but all else was going fine otherwise. I
then decided to drive to the hardware store to try to get more screws to fill up
all those vacancies in the dashboard whenever I get back to buttoning everything
up again... after I'm sure the problem is SOLVED. Stopping off for a brief
shopping sprint would allow me to see how the car would do under a warmed-up
start situation. (The old, pre-November 'Clone would always catch and run
away after 1/2 to 2 revs at warm-crank-up... almost as good as an
electric motor!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>But, it was not to
be. I got the starter going and NO fast-catch... just the same old
COLD-START-UP HORSES#1T I've been getting... all the same hunting/starving while
I work the pedal like Gene Krupa! I HATE BEING <EM>RIGHT</EM> ALL THE
$%^&%$ TIME!!! Especially when I end up in the victim's spot both
ways!! </FONT><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Then,
the batch-firing smoothes-out, the engine climbs another 1800 rpm, and away
we go-- till the <EM>next</EM> surprise breakdown. No more incidents that
trip. Maybe this ECM is just a "slow-learner." I'll just let it set
another few daze or so before I start tweaking things again....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4><U>Road-test Three</U>
will commence around 1am tonight and last, with assorted stop-offs, 'til 4:30am
or so. I don't think I'll get stranded; I never did before but came awful
close a few times lately with the old ECM and cold weather. Who knows what
I'll face tonight, but I had this same combo running like a TOP in that Typhoon
before I took the wheels off last year....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Stay tuned... and try
to THINK what else this Problem could be,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Dennis O.
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<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=leroy@sunflower.com href="mailto:leroy@sunflower.com">Jim Sloan</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=seravilo@netzero.net
href="mailto:seravilo@netzero.net">'DOlivares'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 03, 2006 7:48 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: STILL [Syty] Broke & Stumped!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT><FONT
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color=#0000ff size=2>Dennis,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Since I said that I had a spare ecm, I have sold two.
I have another one with an injector driver upgrade, and I usually sell them for
$75. Let me know if you are interested. I could send it to you as a
loaner for a substitution test if you want......pay me if it works, or send it
back.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Your best option may be car-part.com. 1227749 and
16198263 are the 2 part numbers to look for.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Let me know.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=169424113-03022006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jim</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> DOlivares [mailto:seravilo@netzero.net]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:01 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Jim
Sloan<BR><B>Cc:</B> syty@syty.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> STILL [Syty] Broke &
Stumped!<BR><B>Importance:</B> High<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Jim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>
When you say you keep around a "Spare ECM," do you mean the plug-ins or the
whole ECM Box? Based on my latest tests, the FI Drivers-- and whatever
controls them-- are being victimized by either a thermal or a timing (delay)
problem. I understand how SEUs can screw up chips <EM>IN SPACE</EM> or
other rad-hostile environments, but I kinda figured I was safe from all that
junk in my car! I wonder who sent that cosmic ray my
way...?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4> I
took out the <U><EM>10-n-1</EM></U> Interface yesterday but things are really
no better. The Injectors batch-pulse fine then weakly at unpredictable
times and for durations up to 30 seconds until I reach full-warm-up after
about 7 minutes, depending on ambient air-temp. Sunday, the thing
actually started pooping out (choking and sputtering but throwing nothing more
than a Code 44, which is practically useless information!) on the expressway
at 70mph... long after I was well into warm, closed-loopery. This thing
is getting REALLY BAD and, as admitted before, I don't really know what to do
about it! I can't even take it to a garage or even the dealer!
They know less than I do and will only pull all my goodies and restore me to
overpriced NOS crap for well over a THOU$AND! <STRONG> Do you know where
I can get a new ECM... CHEAP? Know anybody who reconditions old
ECMs?</STRONG> Electrodyne or Spearco or somone like that had a "E6"
plug-compatible ECM which was PC-programmable, but I forgot all the details...
maybe this is the time to go the DFI route once and for all...?
Unfortunately, neither my wallet or my temperament are willing to part with
all that Delco firmware just yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4> In
a few hours, I'm gonna gut the whole ECM out of my still-on-jackstands Typhoon
and do more swap-in tests on the Old Horse #773. IF that solves my
problem-- and I still have profound reservations-- I'll still need to do
something in the way of rehabilitating my old MEMCAL or ECM-- not to mention
the 10-n-1 upgrade I want to eventually put back.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Any
thoughts?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>D.O.
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=seravilo@netzero.net href="mailto:seravilo@netzero.net">DOlivares</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=leroy@sunflower.com
href="mailto:leroy@sunflower.com">Jim Sloan</A> ; <A title=syty@syty.org
href="mailto:syty@syty.org">syty@syty.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 02, 2006 12:06 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Syty] Broke & Stumped!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Thanks... so far, and
happy New Year... <EM>et pax hominibus boni voluntatis!</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>[You know who you
are.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Unfortunately, I have
<EM>tried</EM> all those diagnostic trees-- even a couple of bushes for good
measure! This episode has been going on for nearly a month. As I
said, I'm running out of hardware to swap-out. The only things I haven't
diddled with is the <STRONG>EST Module</STRONG> in the Distributor and of
course the <STRONG>ECM/chip</STRONG>. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>The reason I haven't
fooled with those things is that the misbehavior complained of is SO
PREDICTABLE and only afflicts COLD-START-UP conditions, except when it's
really cold outside in which case I will get precisely ONE chug-a-lug spasm
about 5 minutes into the run-up to full operating temperature... just
after everything had been going just fine. That's the worst of it... as
far as I can tell without a scantool... seat-of-the-pants power and smoothness
is better than ever, otherwise. This is no "intermittent." This is
pure predictability! And my experience with bad chips and modules is
that they either fail outright or exhibit sporadic, random upsets... before
failing outright. That's not what's occurring. Even so, I might
drop in my spare EST (Holley Annihilator) just for laughs....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Keep thinking... what
<EM>else</EM> could it be??? What's the connection to cold/cool ambient
temperature?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>D.O.
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=leroy@sunflower.com href="mailto:leroy@sunflower.com">Jim Sloan</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=seravilo@netzero.net
href="mailto:seravilo@netzero.net">'DOlivares'</A> ; <A title=syty@syty.org
href="mailto:syty@syty.org">syty@syty.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 02, 2006 8:11 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Syty] Broke & Stumped!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT><FONT
face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT><FONT
face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT><FONT
face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Happy New Year Dennis!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I've had hardware problems with several of the 10-1
adapters. You could swap back to the stock memcal (and map sensor) to
rule that out, if your build isn't too radical.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I usually keep at least one spare ecm for a substitution
test, and have seen quite a few fail in weird ways. Let me know if you
need one.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Sometimes it helps to go back to the basics, and follow
the diagnostics in the service manual <A
href="http://syty.org/old/d&e-code44.html">http://syty.org/old/d&e-code44.html</A> .</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Just a few ideas, if you haven't already tried
them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=004520414-02012006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jim </FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> syty-bounces@syty.org
[mailto:syty-bounces@syty.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>DOlivares<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:36 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
syty@syty.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Syty] Broke &
Stumped!<BR><B>Importance:</B> High<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Who watches The
Watcher? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Who advises The
Guru?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Who assists The
Good Samaritan?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>I think we're about
to find out pretty soon-- at least until I can get my Lapdog running again
(and one of the diagnostic programs to troubleshoot my li'l
pony)</FONT><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080
size=4>:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Meanwhile, I NEED
HELP! With my laptop in pieces all over the bench, I can't run DIACOM
or DATALINK to give me clues about the usual suspects:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Clean-livin'
doesn't always pay off if my holidaze so far are any indication. I
spent Christmas Eve on a carlift taking apart my right-front axle-- again!--
after being assured by our local "Gear-Guru" (who fully rebuilt that
differential less than 6 months before I started hearing that
same CLUNKING on left turns again) that all I needed was a new cir-clip
(GM #14041989) to keep the axle from popping-out of the side-gear in the
differential. HAH! More bad advice and I ended up taking a cab
home.... More about that Horror Show in a later mailing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Meanwhile, we got
our first technical freeze down here in what was becoming <EM>tropical</EM>
San Antone on Nov. 17th and our first hard-freeze, appropriately, on Dec.
7th, and somewhere in between those times ol' Syclone #773 began
<STRONG>throwing fits during start-up and for the first 5 or 6 minutes until
the water jacket hits and stays at 180°</STRONG> or so. I'm stumped
for the first time in a decade or more! Here's what
happens:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Since the
<EM>new</EM> Walbro fuel-pump went in a few months ago, cranking times are
way down... engine catches pretty quick, but now it won't stay lit and
"choke" with the <EM>new</EM> IAC, which went in along with a <EM>new</EM>
TPS and remote-adjustable FPR about a month before the new Walbro.
Now, I have to feather the pedal once the ignition gets going and hold the
throttle open a bit while the IAC hunts for about a dozen cycles making the
tach swing about 1200 rpm back and forth until we hit the "sweet spot" and
the engine takes off smoothly and the IAC-hunting stops, at least for a
while. Now, it's safe to put her in gear and drive away as long as I
keep a little positive bias in the pedal for the next few minutes every time
I have to slow down to an idle or coast speed. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>THIS PROBLEM IS
WICKEDLY WORSE ON COLD DAYS, where ambient air is in the 40s or below,
which thankfully is rare. (Ain't this global-warming great!)
However, on a couple of occasions when I did have to drive in the 30s-- and
even <EM>after</EM> reaching full-warm-up temperature-- the engine starts
cutting out seriously as the SES light comes on! Now, we're talking
some MAJOR pumping of the pedal to keep things lit and if I can get on a
clear piece of road and cruise a spell at 35 mph or better the problem goes
away <EM>completely</EM>, until I shutdown and the engine gets cold
again. I barely even recognize that SES light... hardly ever see
it. Driving on warmer days never sees a recurrence of that mid-period
cutting-out, and idle is smooth as is the rest of drivability. Warm
start-ups see a few moments of that IAC-hunting, but the rpm-sweeps are only
on the order of 500rpm and the whole anomaly goes away in about 30
seconds. I've NEVER encountered anything like this in my many years of
wrenching! Now, it's time for some wretching!! All that ever
gets logged in the way of a trouble-code is <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>44</FONT></STRONG>... not too helpful!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Naturally, I
replaced the O2 sensor-- no improvement at all! Everything described
above instinctually told me this was a weird thermal transient in the
injector-drive circuits or else the MAT, CTS or MAP I replaced (for the hell
of it) 3 years ago needed to be switched again. So I <EM>did</EM>...
one at a time to see if I could fault-locate the culprit that way. No
dice! I'm running out of hardware to replace! I've even tried
setting that 10-to-1 Chip to different settings, but the same nasty behavior
persists-- the engine's as well as my own!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4><STRONG>WHO CAN
TELL ME WHAT MY PROBLEM(S) IS?</STRONG> Be nice, now....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color=#000080 size=4>Dennis
O.</FONT></DIV>
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