<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">It's actually Whink, which is a dilute solution of hydrofluoric acid. It should perform about the same as Larry Brown's muriatic acid and Dennis Olivares' nitric acid. All 3 of these are chemically considered 'strong' acids, which is why they etch concrete as well as 'remove' rust quicker. 'Weak' acids, such as acetic (vinegar) and carbonic (generated from baking soda) will also work, but will take a lot longer and may not remove some forms of rust. ("Rust" is a common term for various iron oxides.)<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Iron Out is sodium hydrosulfite, which generates a "middle" strength acid when dissolved in water.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>All these acids 'remove' rust by converting it to water soluble salts. For example, the muriatic acid converts iron oxides (red-brown and insoluble) to iron chloride (colorless and soluble).</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If I was as good a mechanic as I am a chemist, my Typhoon would be running now! I'm still fussing with that fuel pump problem I mentioned on the list way back in April!<BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV style="; font-family: Helvetica; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Zapfino"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Zapfino; ">Jeff</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Helvetica; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 11, 2006, at 7:43 PM, ken rose jr wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Arial" size="2">Has anyone tried Wink.. Its a liquid rust remover. I use it to get the rust out of my toilet and it works better than iron out and other brands that I tried! I just squirt it on the rust stains and they vanish before your eyes like magic. The stuff is hard to find..kmart used to have it but i have not looked there lately.. Comes in a small bottle and costs around $4.00. Last time I bought it at the hardware store..Ace hardware I believe. Never tried it on concrete but I plan to cause my plow left some rust on my driveway. Hope this helps!!!</FONT></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Syty mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:Syty@syty.org">Syty@syty.org</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty">http://lists.syty.org/mailman/listinfo/syty</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>