<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I just HAD to say this: <DIV>Nothing I get via e-mail has ever been as entertaining (and informative!) as a Double D go 'round!</DIV><DIV>Many thanx for the SyTy List, and all it's participants.<BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Geneva; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV style="; font-family: Helvetica; "><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Zapfino"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Zapfino; ">Jeff</SPAN></FONT></DIV><DIV style="font-family: Helvetica; "><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jun 29, 2007, at 12:06 PM, DOlivares wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Ah yes,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">...the bully-boy adds his "ever-useful" snorts and flatulence... didn't take long to <EM>SMOKE</EM> him outta his pen! Cockroaches are a lot like that. Maybe we should find him a new nickname...?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Meanwhile, Ted, et al., you have a <EM>plain selection</EM> to choose from: </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV align="center"><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"><STRONG>Detailed reasoned advice</STRONG> based on 35 years of experience and erudition</FONT></DIV> <DIV align="center"><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV align="center"><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">vs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV align="center"><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV align="center"><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"><STRONG>Loud-mouthed blanket-denials and hostile generalities</STRONG>.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">You be the judge....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">D.O. <HR> </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title="bullyhart@aol.com" href="mailto:bullyhart@aol.com">Daron</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title="seravilo@netzero.net" href="mailto:seravilo@netzero.net">seravilo@netzero.net</A> ; <A title="theodore.metzing@verizon.net" href="mailto:theodore.metzing@verizon.net">theodore.metzing@verizon.net</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title="syty@syty.org" href="mailto:syty@syty.org">syty@syty.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 29, 2007 10:47 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Let me summarize... A 2800 stall is a decent compromise for a street driven truck with a reasonable horsepower goal. Find a horsepower target and build your truck for that, not the other way around. I mainly disagree with what dennis is "smokin," especially if we are talking female sheep...<BR></DIV> <DIV>Daron<BR></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: DOlivares <<A href="mailto:seravilo@netzero.net">seravilo@netzero.net</A>><BR>To: Ted Metzing <<A href="mailto:theodore.metzing@verizon.net">theodore.metzing@verizon.net</A>><BR>Cc: SYTY <<A href="mailto:syty@syty.org">syty@syty.org</A>><BR>Sent: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 6:54 am<BR>Subject: Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans<BR><BR> <DIV id="AOLMsgPart_3_2f054185-73d8-415f-9eed-47c270b45976"> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Sure... "somewhat larger" should be fine, depending on what kind of <STRONG>LAUNCH</STRONG> you're trying to achieve... and how much extra gasoline you're willing to buy if you <EM>DON'T</EM>...</FONT></DIV> <UL> <LI><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">drive around town in Overdrive, and</FONT> </LI><LI><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">drive around town a lot above 42mph.</FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Not to mention the extra HEAT a high-stall TC will contribute when <EM>NOT</EM> driving in OD... and assuming you haven't disabled your TCC-- good for performance, bad for heat and gas mileage!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"><EM>High-stalls on the street are for kids</EM>-- much like <U><EM>Trix</EM></U> (silly Rabbit!)-- and why I opted for something under 3000rpm when I ordered my <EM><U>Vigilante</U></EM>, whose primary selling point for me was its grippy, 4x clutch area. I wanted extra insurance that the TCC would <EM>stay</EM> locked up in spite of assorted hiccups from the motor... wanted the good gas economy above 42mph.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">So unless you're building a track-only bracket machine or like harsh TCC-lock-ups, don't sweat the stall speed so much. If you <EM>are</EM> trying to smoke tires to the exclusion of much else, MATCH your stall speed to the torque peak (rpm) you've already matched your cam and intake velocity to jointly achieve....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Smoky Ewe-Nick <HR> </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir="ltr" style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,128) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B> <A title="theodore.metzing@verizon.net" href="mailto:theodore.metzing@verizon.net">Ted Metzing</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title="seravilo@netzero.net" href="mailto:seravilo@netzero.net">DOlivares</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:42 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Syty] 700r4 trans</DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"></FONT><BR></DIV>Thanks D.O. for your suggestions. Will the 2800 stall TC be good enough for a somewhat larger turbo in the future like a PTE setup?<BR><BR>Ted<BR><BR>DOlivares wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite="mid:002a01c7b9e9$046c8d90$0b406b43@coresys1" type="cite"> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">I don't know why the Camaro version of the 700R4 would be mechanically different from the version in your Ty. All I did to mine was...</FONT></DIV> <UL> <LI><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Swap-out the TC for a <U><EM>Vigilante</EM></U>, stall = 2800rpm;</FONT> </LI><LI><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">B&M Shift-Kit (made absolutely <EM>no</EM> difference!);</FONT> </LI><LI><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Swap-out the Pan for a deeper, air-tubed version from Derale; </FONT> </LI><LI><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">Replace all fluid with RedLine Racing Fluid;</FONT> </LI><LI><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4"> and fresh K&N Filter (internal... never neglect this!)</FONT> </LI></UL> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">No more plans till I get time to beef-up the engine more. Transmission issues are closed for the moment... dead-reliable status already achieved!</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Palatino Linotype" color="#000080" size="4">D.O. <HR> </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,128) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial"><B>From:</B> <A title="theodore.metzing@verizon.net" href="mailto:theodore.metzing@verizon.net">Ted Metzing</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>To:</B> <A title="syty@syty.org" href="mailto:syty@syty.org">syty@syty.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:13 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal"><B>Subject:</B> [Syty] 700r4 trans</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>I got a few quick questions for everybody. My friend has a 1991 Camaro<BR>and he's willing to sell me his 700r4 trans for like a $100. Is there<BR>any difference between that trans and the stock one in my 1993 Ty? If<BR>not, any recommendations on what upgrades to do to it (please specify<BR>brand names) like what torque convertor company to use and is a 3000<BR>stall ok, what shift kit should I use, and what trans cooler should I<BR>use? My Ty is pretty much stock except for minor mods like setting<BR>timing to 0, AFPR, re-routed intercooler lines (removing the metal lines<BR>for hoses), Ultimate chip, Walbro HP pump, scan tool, cap/rotor, Iridium<BR>NGK plugs, 8.5mm wires, etc. My Ty has 104,400 miles on it, ran best of<BR>13.36 @ 101 mph, 1.8? 60'. stock turbo @ 18 psi on 93 octane with a<BR>little knock at full throttle (not sure if false because of the<BR>upshifts), fuel pressure @ 54 with vac line off, 32 lb lucas green<BR>stripe injectors. Any and all help welcome. Hope this will create a<BR>little discussion out there. 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