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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the Reply on PGD (pump gas drags)...I
was just wondering how well a syty would do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Background: Hot Rod Mag sponsors PGD at Memphis
with street/strip muscle cars/trucks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The rules call for invitation-only (300 entries, 75
selections for variety); NHRA rules for speeds you run;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>must have all street equipment like workig lights,
horn, registration/insurance/license; vehicles must have </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>stock or bolt on front </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>suspension, and weight at least 3,3000 lbs. Tires no
wider than 11.25 ", no wheelie bars;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>must pass their tech inspection, & gas is
drained and filled with 10 gallons of their 93 octane; power adders</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>such as water injection can be used, but no other
fuel burned. Every competitor must complete a 30 mile</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>drive. Once at the track each vehicle is allowed a
single pass to qualify. Racers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>are placed on a sportsman ladder (#1 races #17, #2
races #18...) and run heads up on a pro tree.<BR><BR>On the surface: Cars are DQ
for overheating, flat tires, a lack of tire traction (due to cold track
and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>min tire width restriction & high hp, running
quicker than your safety equipment, missing the 30 mile check
point,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>illegal front suspension. lack of track
tuning and such. Then the pro tree gets alot of drivers as do the
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>sportsman ladder system. So the fastest rarely
wins, and the slowest get eliminated/beat.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So in the end...the final ten usually are a mix of
mid-range vehicles.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since Syclones could meet the weight, and have awd
for traction, and are</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>very consistent (almost bracket like) they "appear"
to have an edge in making the top 10....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if the 93 octane doesnt kill </FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>torque, boost, and hp. With good detonation prevention
(maybe some nitrous </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and/or water injection, </FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2>engine coating, etc) a Syclone/Typhoon might be a
"sleeper".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not that I plan, have or could participate, but
with all of the fast syclone/typhoon vehicles and even the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>pikes peak Syclone, an owner might do good if
they had a large tubo`d (or twin turbo`d)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a/c deleted V6 (oddfire or evenfire) or V8 AWD
Sy/Ty truck at this event (maybe). For some</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>reason none of the Buick guys show up
either.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Its probably a wild idea, but I thought it fun to
speculate. I rarely see mention of Sy/Tys at any</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>sponsored events other than our own syty.net but do
know that the Silver State, One-lap of America,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Pikes Peak Race, and some autocrossing events have
participants. Maybe its cuz owners dont</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>know of such events.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>oh well...just delete if you find this
uninteresting or stupid. I like it when I find a magazine</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>with a Typhoon or Syclone in it (other than being
advertised for sale....lol).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sytydave@gmail.com href="mailto:sytydave@gmail.com">Dave Goodhue</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=larrybrown@prolynx.com
href="mailto:larrybrown@prolynx.com">Larry Brown</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=syty@syty.org
href="mailto:syty@syty.org">SyTy List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:24
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Syty] Would a Sy/Ty do good
at...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Right off the bat 10 gallons in a fast SyTy would require a sumped
tank.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Obviously the lack of high boost would affect the top end of motors,
however I wonder how 'slow 'the high 8's, low 9's Sy's would be running
with low boost. </DIV>
<DIV>How high of boost could they run on 93 octane? 15 psi? 17
psi? As far as I know the really fast Sy aren't running really big boost
numbers (They are all under 30psi and closer to 25psi) Engine coatings
could help with detonation as well as water injection, thought I suspect most
of those truck utilize them already. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Even with Vortec and race heads we obvious don't have the
best combustion chamber for detonation. Stock Evo's peak
at 21psi and settle to 17psi. I think with aftermarket
tuns have them peaking 22-23 psi and running 19-20psi on pump
gas. They aren't running low timing like a stock SyTy either (14
degree). Fortunately SyTy do a have a relatively good amount
of displacememnt for factory turbo motor, however with an endless choice
of motor in a compettition like this a turbo LS7 would have a huge
advantage. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think one of the fast Sy's could place in the list given the prior
times. The only race SyTy is going to kick ass is if the
require real full depth street tires and don't allow drage radials..</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 8/19/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Larry
Brown</B> <<A
href="mailto:larrybrown@prolynx.com">larrybrown@prolynx.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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<DIV>Howdy </DIV>
<DIV>(just received my gift subscription of Hot Rod Mag and they did the Hot
Rod Pump Gas Nat`ls writeup)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It looks like the Pump Gas Nationals would be a good "candidate" for a
fast AWD Syclone, or Typhoon,</DIV>
<DIV>for national exposure (in my head). But I wonder if 93 octane
would be a limiting factor? The rules state:</DIV>
<DIV>-10 gallons of 93 octane</DIV>
<DIV>-30 mile "driving test"</DIV>
<DIV>-No pre-qualifying at the strip; No posting times for qualifying (to
avoid cheating).</DIV>
<DIV>- 11 1/4 inch tire restriction, stock type front suspension, NHRA rules
(for posted times)</DIV>
<DIV>- I think a min approx weight of 3300 lbs and a "non-sticky" track was
used with a pro tree.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now I know some of SyTy owners have fast vehicles, but its my
impression that they require</DIV>
<DIV>high boost for max hp. Does this prevent the use of 93 octane (as
they wont allow power adders</DIV>
<DIV>other than water injection), altho nitrous, turbos,
prochargers/superchargers are allowed.</DIV>
<DIV>So it appears that really big blocks won in the past, but a small block
EFI Camero won this year (a first).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just curious (not that I could participate or anything), but it would
be neat if a SyTy could</DIV>
<DIV>wind up in the top 10 (in a contest like this). So would the
detonation "factor" prohibit</DIV>
<DIV>SyTy entries...(ie some of the cars/trucks entered ran 10s and 11s,
with the 8sec ones</DIV>
<DIV>finding traction problems, and the 9sec ones advancing to the
finals).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I dont know if there is any major prize money, but it appears that they
do have several sponsors.</DIV>
<DIV>While the Power Tour and the 1-lap across America draws some SyTy
folks, I never see owners</DIV>
<DIV>enter Craft Craft Nat`ls or Pump Gas Drags or such.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>thanks in advance</DIV>
<DIV>Larry Brown</DIV>
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